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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:11 PM
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BTW, the Enron thingy seems to have disappeared from the radar
screen.

My question is who are those attorneys who were in charge of keeping their clients outta trouble? Corporations of this size all have a bunch of lawyers not to mention law firms who stand guard at the front door of Trouble. They make sure all moves are complying with the laws/

Obviously, something went awry and thousands of stockholders ended up with a loss dooming a good retirement.

So the question begs, who were the attorneys? Are they off the hook? Did they abscond with the loot? Partial?

Something is awfully smelly here.

Come, we remember the days when Honor, Respect, and Sanity was present in the Oval Office and much of our leading business firms.
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celestia671 Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:12 PM
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1. It seems that everything has disappeared from radar...
except for the Kobe Bryant story, and of course, Ahnuld!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:19 PM
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2. Apparently, "sniff"
Sad and pathetic
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fabius Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:22 PM
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3. Kenny Boy is a good friend of *
I've suspected for a LONG time that Kenny will get off scot free. Martha Steward is being pilloried as an example of how energetically Smirk is pursuing the evildoers. The big fish will walk. Martha is expendible. Uppity female!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:35 PM
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4. How many thousands of people lost their pensions to Ken Lay and...
...the Enron boys? How can the silence about this be so deafening? There is a disconnect in this country bigger than anything we could have imagined. Being parted from their money has always been the surest way to wake up the otherwise complacent citizenry. Where is the outrage? I don't get it.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:37 PM
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5. Chemtrails?
;-)
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:38 PM
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6. I will NEVER understand why all those Enron employees don't
pitch tents outside Lays mansion until he is arrested!
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:42 PM
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8. Reasons why you don't see the outrage:
1. The corporate media is no longer covering it, even though people are still interested.

2. The people think that someone besides those responsible is to blame. (Example: my reich-wing mother blames everything on Bill Clinton or the closest Democrat to the problem. When she lost $30,000 in the stock market, it was Clinton's fault, even though he hadn't been president for several months.)

3. It didn't affect enough people to stay on the radar past 9-11.

4. Americans are stupid.

Personally, I think number 4 mixed with something else might be the culprit. Hardly anyone I know can write in complete, coherent sentences and most of them have the attention span of can of tuna.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:40 PM
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7. This be my sur-prized look.
Come, we go drop 50 million Ginko Biloba tablets into the nation's water supply.

OOPS. I forgot. You have to be other than ABSOLUTELY JACK STUPID to remember anything more than to wipe your ass after a shit.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:55 PM
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9. Don't discount that it was a Massive front for CIA operations
Getting to the bottom of all the fraud might just lead to Langley in far too many emabarrasing ways. (for those people, that is)

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 05:23 AM
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20. now this ..i believe...massive moeny laundering for drugs
not to mention the 1000's of offshore bank accounts
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JewelDigger Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:57 PM
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10. Good question.... Where ARE all those Enron employees
who lost all that money??? Aren't they banding together to seek justice and/or restitution? Are they afraid (of what?)? Are they all 'praying on it' (don't get me wrong here, I AM a follower of Jesus Christ) Were they all offered Hallburton stock (in lieu of)? Where the heck are they and what are they thinking/doing these days??? This affected thousands (tens of thousands?) of people!
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MiltonLeBerle Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:14 AM
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11. The California recall would make for the perfect stage-
To rip open the Enron scandal- it's a very big part of what's at the heart of their deficit.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:29 AM
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12. How can the Enrons Board sleep, knowing they got away with $1.4 Billion
How can the attorneys look themselves in the mirror without feeling some guilt?

I guess rationalization of the delusional kind does wonders. Damn
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:55 AM
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13. Like babies
One thing nice and ethical people often have trouble with is accepting the natural ugliness of many people. To the gentle and decent, these people must be labeled as "insane" or "anomalous" or "misguided" or "desperate" or something else to cushion one from the reality that there's real-live deliberate ugliness out there.

Society is regulation, and our greatest enemies are always each other. By protecting ourselves from the ugliness inherent in humanity, we are able to enjoy the ample love and beauty in humanity. Unfortunately this lulls us into the mistaken comfort of forgetting that ugliness exists.

I guarantee you that some of these people laugh with glee at knowing what they did. Many are just justifying it to themselves and doing it fine, but some revel in their superiority and some actually love the agony of others.

Most of them just justify it as "part of the game" and "shenanigans" that everyone else engages in too.

Conservatism (anti-regulation, "me" first laissez-faire adventurism) will absolutely destroy society because it is against the very nature of society.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:31 AM
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18. Arianna Huffington has indicated that she will mention Enron often
in her speeches and debates during her campaign bid.

She kicks Enron's ass in her book "Pigs at the Trough".
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:56 AM
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14. You would think that the candidates
would be beating on this every day, saying that Bush is a crook for not prosecuting his friends and that they will prosecute them.
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:08 AM
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15. California/Davis.....
.......With a veteran mud slinger such as Davis, I expect California voters will be inundated with Enron scandal imfo-commercials....My worry regarding the investigations is that much of the activities will be delegated to the "legal but unethical dustbin" due to the weakening of SEC oversite laws from the early 90's (Gingrich/Graham)and as Dick Morris described Christopher Dodd as well.....One thing is for certain, it is the investor class that will have to push for accountability although workers retirement funds have taken a beating as well.....We can only hope that the slow wheels of Justice eventually grind the bastards up......
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:20 AM
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16. We should be stoning them as punishment
OK OK maybe not fatally but something hatta be done. Its just not FAIR to see them assholes get away with that kinda money
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:04 PM
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30. I wish that someone would stone me as punishment.
:hippie:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 06:19 AM
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31. semdimg a lid of good stinky shit
and a bong

:smoke:
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:24 AM
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17. And how about them WMD?
That seems to have slipped away with Kobe and Ahnold on the scene.

The media is an accomplice to the soldiers and Iraqi's dying in iraq.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 05:01 AM
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19. I would vote for Arianna if she was in my State.
Damn, that woman has a brain. Makes Bush look like Mongo from Blazing Saddles.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:40 AM
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23. Why Would You Insult Mongo Like That?
That's just unnecessary. Mongo was a much smarter & nicer guy than Georige, boy. I'm surprised at you!
The Professor
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 05:24 AM
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21. Kenny Boy knows too much on Bush & Cheney!
So He's sittin' on FREE PARKING ready to advance token to WATER WORKS!

Come, we see how Bush is doin' on SHORT LINE RAILROAD!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:09 AM
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22. Somedy, the shrub be in JAIL, do not pass GO, do not collect $200
Das iz me hope laddie.

Come, we go fishing for catfish
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:46 AM
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24. Hell it floods here every day!
It's the nonglobal warming I reckon! Everybody on earth knows about global warming but Bushco! The catfish all drowned by now!

Come, we Dig Coal for entertainment and more smog!
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:00 AM
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25. Last Monday nite (8/4),
on the CBS Evening News, they ran a piece on Enron. It was an update on what was happening. Read about it here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/04/eveningnews/main566604.shtml
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:29 AM
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26. Whoa
It sounds too good to be true in some ways. Is there not an Enron II Redux already rising debt free and "unconnected" from the ashes out on the frontiers of the PNAC Oil Empire? The article makes it sound like Shilling and Lay are a) not all that reposnible or proecutable b) reduced to paltry millions in house arrest.

And the report OTHER than that gloss over of the top execs is old, perfunctory and shallow, minus all outrage. Tough luck investors. Not even a quiver on the needle of concern of the WH adminstration. There IS no radar.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:32 PM
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28. You are right Pat, the White House shows not a concern to do what is RIGHT
Its all stonewalling and fluff, typ pub shit
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:30 PM
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27. I guess the wheels of justice grinds ever so slowly....sad
But then its good to see some amount success in pursuing the rat bastards who absconded with the loot.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:02 PM
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29. Off the radar but NOT off my monthly power bill
Goddamn 50 dollar surcharge. The whole west coast was screwed over by Kenny Boy and the California con.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 06:50 AM
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32. It seem to smell that stench comming back, the awfully smelly kind
http://www.john-loftus.com/enron3.asp

The Press on the BCCI-bin Mahfouz-bin Laden Intelligence Nexus

(snip)
O’Neill gave an overview of the Enron block to two French authors who will soon be publishing in the United States. The FBI is currently investigating Loftus’ links to John O’Neill, and is also refusing FBI agent Robert Wright permission to publish his own findings about the Enron block.

Loftus asserts that the Enron block, which remained in force from January 2001 until August 2001 when the pipeline deal collapsed, is the reason that none of FBI agent Rowley’s requests for investigations were ever approved. As numerous British and French authors have concluded, the information provided by European intelligence sources prior to 9/11 was so extensive, that it is no longer possible for either CIA or the FBI to assert a defense of incompetence.

It is time for Congress to face the truth: In order to give Enron one last desperate chance to complete the Taliban pipeline and save itself from bankruptcy, senior levels of US intelligence were ordered to keep their eyes shut and their subordinates ignorant.
The Enron cover-up confirms that 9/11 was not an intelligence failure or a law enforcement failure (at least not entirely). Instead, it was a foreign policy failure of the highest order. If Congress ever combines its Enron investigation with 9/11, Cheney’s whole house of cards will collapse.
(snip)
(snip)
The Enron pipeline connection to 9/11
This is a privileged and confidential work-product document restricted to my legal researchers and not to be released without my express written consent.
A highly reliable confidential client source who wishes to remain anonymous has promised to send me an FBI copy of a high-level Al Qaida report dating back to the embassy bombings in Africa several years ago. The email report was captured in Africa from the computer file of a senior aid to Osama Bin Laden. My client has obtained this document through lawful means,
(snip)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 08:21 AM
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33. WOW, Double WOW
The eyes of America are closed to this,

water, please, COFFEE for everyone
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