I can see huge protests of 'Pro-Torture' vs. 'Geneva Cons'

like the pro-choice vs. right to life rallies. i hear it on c-span frequently lately. rightwing assholes call up to justify torture, excuse torture, explain torture, deny torture, approve torture, and just expose themselves as nazis. the liberals call and are in shock that any american could condone such behavior, and shock that torture has become official u.s. policy.

that's what we are up against. bush supporters who blindly support the subjugation of the entire islamist population, and those who have a basic problem with the torture of another human being.

those who support torture and a war against islam are extremely unstable, and easily manipulated. they threaten us all.

If only everyone would see the value in thinking for oneself about everything. That is why there is no justice in this world, because the deep thinking is left for other's to do . Perhaps parents should teach their children to think deep, but then, when they get out with other people, it is all flushed as this wonderful art shows in your message. Thank God for people like you. Mrs. Moose

and brit hume himself got angry at all the fuss over torture and said we gotta win this war. assholes

..pro-choice!

Initially, most everyone was shocked and disgusted and saying "that's not what America stands for' and then slowly as the spin machine on Fox kicked into gear and Rush started spewing his slime-ball mantra, the kool-aid drinkers started to nod their head in rhythm to the beat of the rationalization drums and now they are actually defending the torture.

IMHO this adminstration is promoting genocide of the Muslim people. Some people might say that's an extreme statement but when they constantly refer to 'them' as evil-doers and promote the idea that 'we' won't be safe until 'they' are all destroyed, kind of sounds like genocide to me.

And all the while, the heads keep nodding....

like Rush Limbaugh and his clones, it's not our military's option to "let off steam" in this way or to use these methods for "psy-op" reasons.

Frankly, I have no doubt that similar incidents and worse happen during fraternity hazings. My boyfriend in college said that the pledges were expected to participate in a gang bang while several of their "brothers" took pics. At that point, he officially de-pledged! Students have died because of "hazing". Fraternities don't have to follow the terms of the Geneva Convention. WE DO!

In particular, it's quite obvious that the following guidelines were grossly violated:

Article 3

1. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;

Article 17

No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.

Article 39

Every prisoner of war camp shall be put under the immediate authority of a responsible commissioned officer belonging to the regular armed forces of the Detaining Power. Such officer shall have in his possession a copy of the present Convention; he shall ensure that its provisions are known to the camp staff and the guard and shall be responsible, under the direction of his government, for its application.

The entire text is here:

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm

It's just a little humiliation, a college prank.

It's one thing to answer 'yes' to a survey question anonymously in the privacy of your home, but it's a whole 'nuther thing to stand up in public in support of it.

I think that even most of those who answer that they 'support' torture know that it's wrong.

Then again, there are some who do not know that it is wrong. Most of them are cowards, however -- they are unlikely to rally in support of it in public.