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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:08 AM
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Will a green light on prisoner review from the Supreme Court tell the
world that we don't give a fuck what they think? Will it cause countries around the world to figure out how they can say fuck you back by arresting and holding american citizens around the world with no charges? I don't think it would happen in mass, but let say a country is pissed off for any of the number of reasons we pissed them off. What leg will we have to stand on in protecting our citizens from this type of actio? Is this a real concern?
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:11 AM
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1. Where is Justice Souter?
Has he been seen in public since he was attacked? We need to get the Supreme Court and the State Governments involved.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:45 AM
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6. Well the righties from Mass tried to
get him to stay the gay marriage thing in MA. I think he contacted some other members of the court and they said. NO, NO, NO, Needless to say they are pissed. I am happy. I met a women who was trying to stop this and when I told her that the Supremes said no she couldn't believe it. She was so mad she left the area. Made me smile. How the hell much hate do we have to bear in this US. I for one am sick to death of it. If they steal this Election I am going to either Italy or Portugal to live.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:12 AM
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2. While we are on the topic of the SCOTUS. I was curious
if the SCOTUS could review the chimps Executive Order (#13305-?) that grants immunity to any private contractor operating in Iraq from legal recourse and determine that it is unconstitutional? I am very curious about that executive order and the idea that human rights violators can go scott free.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:18 AM
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3. the world court will rule on this
as soon as the muslim clerics who will run iraq take it to the court for redress
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GoBucksBeatBush Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:40 AM
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5. as far as i know...
as far as know, executive orders aren't really reviewable, but i don't know that for a fact. since they can be changed by any subsequent president, they wouldn't be really "laws" per se, just, as the name implies, orders from the president. a future president could, theoretically, retract this order and allow the good folks at KBR and other merc companies to be prosecuted.

then again, a gentlemen named Korematsu sued all the way to the SCOTUS over the japanese internment camps during WWII, and that policy was based soley on an executive order. on the other hand, he sued under a due process claim (right to liberty taken away), which wouldn't apply here.


aaaarrrggghhhh...i've no clue anymore. back to studying!


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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:52 AM
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7. Maybe it works like a Presidential Pardon?
Edited on Sun May-16-04 11:54 AM by lovedems
But this executive order seems so far off base as to have legitimacy. I appreciate you trying to give me some insight. I for the life of me can't understand how the POTUS can basically disregard the Geneva Convention, the justice system (I know, Asscrofts DOJ is hardly legitimate in and of itself) and international law with an "executive order". If there isn't anything wrong with that scenario, there certainly should be.

Edit: Simply put, can an executive order get our nation out of the Geneva Convention alone? That is essentially what he did in signing that order rather then pull out like he did the Kyoto treaty. I know this all so confusing!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:27 AM
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4. yes and if it happens
it would go down as the worst reversal of law in the history of western civilization..read the magna charta..there is one line that has defined western thought since then about the right of redress
yes it will give any country the right to detain any american for what ever reason if they choose to do so..but all civilized countries respect the right of citizens of another country to civil treatment and the right to contact their embassy and obtain counsel, not the united states under king george.
if the supreme court rules for bush our democracy no longer exists
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