Dick Durbin and Stephanie Tubbs Jones appointed to rep Kerry at DNC.

blm

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Sun May-16-04 11:58 AM
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Dick Durbin and Stephanie Tubbs Jones appointed to rep Kerry at DNC.

What do the appointments of tough progressive voices to high positions at the DNC mean to you?

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Radical Activist

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Sun May-16-04 12:00 PM
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1. Nothing since Durbin did pretty much the same thing last time

Didn't Durbin chair the committee that wrote the platform for the last convention? Durbin is a great liberal but just because Durbin voted No on Iraq and the WTO doesn't mean Kerry is exonerated for voting the wrong way.

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blm

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Sun May-16-04 12:04 PM
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2. This is about the future direction of the party.

If you don't understand that Kerry voted for a resolution with war as a last resort and want to blame him instead of Bush for not honoring that resolution, then that speaks to YOUR agenda.

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Radical Activist

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Sun May-16-04 12:16 PM
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3. Yes I have a progressive agenda

and that includes supporting progressives who have enough good judgement to not be fooled into trusting Bush. There are plenty of people who were courageous and intelligent enough to not vote the wrong way on Iraq, like Durbin, Kucinich, Wellstone, Bob Graham, John Lewis and others.

Just because Kerry is the nominee doesn't mean his poop doesn't stink. It was a dumb vote and no amount of lame excuses about "use of last resort" changes that.

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JI7

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Sun May-16-04 12:20 PM
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4. yeah, why listen to reasons for votes and make it complicated

republicans don't listen to why kerry voted against certain weapons systems. just the vote alone shows he was against defense to them.

personally i'm glad kerry doesn't see things in black and white as bush does.

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Radical Activist

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Sun May-16-04 12:51 PM
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6. No reason justifies such a wrong-headed vote

Kerry can explain away and make excuses for voting to give Bush the freedom to do whatever he pleased in Iraq. No matter what the reason it was a wrong and foolish vote. I've heard Kerry's reasoning and everytime he tries to explain why he voted for the war in Iraq he ends up sounding like a jackass. That's why he stopped trying to explain his vote during the campaign and that was a smart move on his part.

Why not just admitt that Kerry made a mistake instaed of pretending that whoever gets the nomination is perfect?

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blm

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Sun May-16-04 12:54 PM
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7. Not Kerry's fault there are so many who lack comprehension skills..

I understand his position on IWR and I also understood that Biden-Lugar would have had the exact same result.

Now, do you care to answer the original question posted?

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Radical Activist

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Sun May-16-04 12:59 PM
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9. I already answered the original question once

Go back and read my first post again unless you want to hijack this thread and make it all about Kerry's Iraq vote.

I'll repeat my original point, which is that Durbin played a similar role in the last convention. That didn't make the party turn liberal back then and I don't believe it will have that effect this time either.

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nothingshocksmeanymore

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Sun May-16-04 01:00 PM
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11. WHy is it the most radical progressives come from states that send the

most conservative Democrats to congress? One would think that the phrase "Think globally, act locally" would mean something to you.

I'm not putting down progressives but more often than not, when I click on a profile of someone who is just disgusted with Democrats, they are either from a bible belt state or a state where chest beating Rethugs have completely taken hold. Did it ever occur to you that if you organized within your state to take some control back there it just might alter the tone of the national conversation?

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Radical Activist

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Sun May-16-04 01:06 PM
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12. How do you know I'm not doing that already?

You could ask before making that kind of generalization.
I'm new to my state but organizing is exactly what I'm doing here.

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blm

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Sun May-16-04 12:50 PM
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5. So you go and hijack a thread to repeat a charge that has only been made

hundreds of thousands of times here at DU?

Why don't you try giving an HONEST answer to the actual question posed? Shouldn't that be a hallmark of true progressives - That they answer questions appropriately with direct answers and not employ distraction rhetoric like the rightwing demagogues.

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Radical Activist

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Sun May-16-04 12:56 PM
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8. I answered the question posed by the original post

The original post asked what the appointment means to me. I said it means nothing and listed why by naming two positions of Kerry's that I disagree with. I think the response to my post is what made this thread turn into a discussion of his Iraq war vote.

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blm

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Sun May-16-04 01:00 PM
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10. Those appointments deal with the FORWARD DIRECTION of the party.

You want to rehash a vote for a resolution where war was supposed to be a last resort.

Do you understand the difference in appointments meant to direct the party's future and the rehashing of the IWR?

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