Opinions Please! What's next?

Hersh's article has been on TV and repeated in several news cycles.

The pentagon, through a spokesman, unequivocally denies everything.

So what happens next? Is the investigation expanded? If so, by whom?

I have an ugly feeling this one is going to drop off the radar within two more news cycles. What do you think?

or says that indeed Rumsfeld did know. Then it's lights out for Rumsfeld.

If our Constitutional Republic is to survive these Neo Cons and Neo Nazis.

I don't see the fire in the belly, neither in Washington nor in the media, to pursue this to its end. Rumsfeld gets away with it. Anyhoo, that's what my gut says.

And connections. The CIA and DoD have him on speed dial. When he writes he can back it up. This is Rummy's smoking gun.




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Welcome to DU!! :toast:

Rummy is history over Memorial Day Weekend

along with everything else they are guilty of. People will start demanding more accountability - energy meetings - the Plame affair - 9-11. :toast:

maybe things will change. I hope it reveals names of these people that were involved and also the names of the informants if possible. This would provide genuine credibility for this situation which is what needed, not that I doubt it one bit personally.

I hope they nail these evil people. I am outraged at best!

Lies. Prevarications. Half-truths. Deflections. Baseless accusations against anyone or anything that criticizes the repukes. Washington becomes a Straight Razor Strap Match, between the neo-cons and everyone else who has a beef with them. Repukes start mouthing words they have even considered mouthing since Watergate. They start eating their own. The center doesn't hold. The Rough Beast slouches back from Babylon and takes a dump in the middle of the repuke convention.

They are so over. I have heard this tune before. The repukes now must get in a great circle and slit each others belly in a huge Seppuku orgy. They do it so well, too.

That as a superpower its his view that we are not bound by Geneva because we have the right to take any action necessary to defend the homefront.
He will br pressed on it and come across soundind a little too much like Goebbels and the final solution.

"Senator Patrick Leahy, the senior Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, who has been an outspoken critic of the Abu Ghraib abuse, said he would demand that Rumsfeld must produce the videos this week."

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1217973,00.html

Apparently the Senate Armed Services Committee (which includes the likes of Byrd, Kennedy, Levin ...) will be conducting a full investigation of the article/report by Hersch published in the New Yorker.

Should be interesting I should think. We shall see.

taken back by the Dems. Or at bare minimim, the Senate. Pug control can stop all real investigation.

BUT, all this info can cause a lot of people to say they don't like one party controlling everything and make a big change in Nov.

If you are really looking to change control, you have no way of knowing how many others feel the same. If there are enough who think this way, the Dems could actually take the WH and both houses. I actually hope not! I'm one of the people who like a divided government. I think it keeps everybody honest (or at least as honest as a politician can be.)

And as a longtime JAG officer and JAG Court Judge, he takes this VERY seriously. And he is furious that the top JAG officers (like the Admiral who IS the Navy Judge Advocate General)literally had to take the matter to a civilian bar association because their concerns were dismissed by the civilian leaders of the Pentagon (Rummy & co.) He's not going to let this go either. Nor is McCain, who is also on the committee. There's some bipartisanship going on in this matter, which is something we haven't seen in three years.

There is no going on for the neocons. Either the moderate repub's purge the administration or they go down with them this November.

It's over.

seem tame.

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He puts out the first article, which breaks the story on the abuses at Abu Ghraib. He gives Rumsfeld ample opportunity to say that he had nothing to do with it, and that this was the act of a few "bad apples."

Then Hersh releases the second story, which shows that Rumsfeld and Rice personally authorized expansion of the Gitmo "Special Access Program" to Iraq, and that Bush was informed of the decision as well.

The initial response from the DoD has been deny, deny, deny.

How much you wanna bet that Hersh has a THIRD chapter, ready and waiting, to corroborate the first two stories? This is going to get uglier and uglier.

-MR

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The Private Contractor-GOP Gravy Train
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=711&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

"Private armies have become ubiquitous in Iraq, supplying everything from support services to mercenary soldiers to interrogators. While Halliburton's contracts for logistical support have been widely reported, until the firefight in Fallujah in late March left four Blackwater Security employees dead, the public knew little about the extent to which the estimated 20,000 private military forces in Iraq are participating in direct military action."

"The shocking photographs of the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison raise anew questions about the U.S. military use of private contractors. Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba's report about practices at the prison contained information that two CACI employees "were either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib." Contractors from Titan International were also present during the abuses."

Saving Private England
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=715&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

"In retrospect, much of what we saw during Operation Iraqi Freedom was as fictionalized as CentCom's version of "Saving Private Jessica." When we weren't staging the news, we were covering it up. "A war with hundreds of coalition and tens of thousands of Iraqi casualties" was transformed "into something closer to a defense contractor's training video: a lot of action, but no consequences, as if shells simply disappeared into the air and an invisible enemy magically ceased to exist." That was the conclusion reached by one of the leaders of a research project at George Washington University's School of Media and Public Affairs, which examined 600 hours of war coverage on CNN, Fox and ABC from the war's March 20, 2003, start to the April 9 fall of Baghdad, "to see how `real' the war looked on TV." Of the 1,710 stories they surveyed, "only 13.5 percent included any shots of dead or wounded coalition soldiers, Iraqi soldiers or civilians."

so important at the time are quickly swamped by new more scary, crazy shit?

Enron>9/11 Commission>Wilson/Plame>Paul O'Neill (Treas Secretary)>Clarke>back to Wilson>Woodward......then BLAM!! "Torturegate" (a quantum leap) followed by Berg beheading>Sarin gas.

IMO the fascists are going to elevate the fear and terror as far as it will go and then attempt to shut down the government, elections, etc. when people are shitting bricks. Notice also how the price of gas is skyrocketing and Kucinich's claim that price gouging is going on hardly gets any air time?