Amidst the "euphoria", we need to remember the reality.

This country is killing innocent women and children, while we self-congratulate. We do not live day-to-day with the horror. We have nothing to be proud of.

The bloody war in Iraq must be stopped.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

And I, for one, am not proud of what's happening in Iraq. Not one bit.

What is happening is horrible and frankly the damage is going to scar us for at least a generation. I can only find hope in the fact that more people are recognizing this.

:shrug:

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Uh...isn't that why we want to stop this war and get out of Iraq?

How does enthusiasm about the prospects for our candidate translate into inappropriate euphoria?

It's Mr. & Mrs. Middle America...the ones who voted for Bunnypants in 2000 and now are wondering what type of a job he's doing and if he's worth keeping around for another four years. They're starting to learn about the lies that led to this war, the atrocities on both American and Iraqis and the probability this is going to get worse, not better.

Even under the best scenario, our military is stuck big time in that hell-hole under this regime until January, 2005. No glee here, just hoping that's when our exit begins and my 18 year old son can live without the cloud of war over his head.

Right now all we can do is show the light to those who are starting to ask questions...not to be superior or "I told ya so-ish"...and do whatever it takes to remove this evil regime in November and to minimalize its arrogance until then.

scandal. But to fixate on it 24/7 is not healthy and not productive.

Bush wants us scared and depressed and feeling helpless. That is part of the dominance he uses to keep the people from questioning his disasters. Let folks find hope and joy where they can in this debacle of an administration (just my $0.02)

snip Bush is a master at inducing learned helplessness in the electorate. He uses pessimistic language that creates fear and disables people from feeling they can solve their problems......

Bush's political opponents are caught in a fantasy that they can win against him simply by proving the superiority of their ideas. However, people do not support Bush for the power of his ideas, but out of the despair and desperation in their hearts. Whenever people are in the grip of a desperate dependency, they won't respond to rational criticisms of the people they are dependent on. They will respond to plausible and forceful statements and alternatives that put the American electorate back in touch with their core optimism. Bush's opponents must combat his dark imagery with hope and restore American vigor and optimism in the coming years. snip

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/130534_focusecond13.html

I doubt it. Just more dead.

Very little if anything at all will change in Iraq if Kerry gets in - he will NOT give up total control of the military to the UN and the UN would be suicidal if they went in under US command.

The "strategic" (read criminal) reasons to be in Iraq will not change, the average Iraqi citizen when sizing up their lot (no job, no electricity or clean water, ever falling health standards, two relatives picked up and detained incommunicado by US forces and two kids dead from cluster bombs) isn't going to think "it's all good coz Kerry's in charge" and the outright theft of Iraqi financial sovereignty will STILL be the cause of massive resentment.

All this doesn't mean that I wouldn't urge people to vote for Kerry not Bush - the sitch in Iraq and Afghanistan (remember them??) wont change but atleast the Iranian's and Syrian's wont find themselves shocked and awed next.

it's not a GOP trait. it's an AMERICAN trait. we are Americans. We are patriots. We will not forget what this administration has done, and we will demand there be an accounting. First, we gotta take the power.