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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:24 PM
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Cold Fusion Expert killed was to go to Washington to meet DoE commissioner
Cold Fusion is one of the most promising new energy sources and the cleanest. One gallon of water can produce the energy of 300 gallons of gasoline.
Why are we not going forward with this?..I suppose all energy investors would jump into Cold Fusion and leave the old polluters behind. It's always..wheres the money.

http://www.infinite-energy.com/
(Malloves web site)
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=1870668
(link to story)
Norwich-WTNH, May 16, 2004 5:10 PM) _ Norwich police have released the identity of a man found murdered Friday night.

He's 56-year-old Eugene Mallove of New Hampshire.

He is a former MIT science writer and author once nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.

On Friday night police found the man beaten to death at a house on Salem Turnpike.

Several items were stolen from the man including his car.

His 1993 Dodge Caravan was found several hours after the attack, abandoned at an employee parking lot at Foxwoods Casino.

Police are urging anyone who may have seen this car any time over the weekend to contact them. They are trying to determine who was in the vehicle. It has a New Hampshire license plate and a web logo on the back window.

Right now, police say it appears robbery motivated the attack.

(this is a stinker)
To hear Gene Mallove-Coast to Coast Radio has a link to one of the old shows-don't know if you need a subscription for that particular clip of him speaking
www.coasttocoast.com

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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:27 PM
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1. Promising if it exists
The one time it supposedly happened, the scientists in question didn't keep good lab records, and were unable to reproduce the phenomenon.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:34 PM
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3. It's been supressed...
.. when the DOE researchers were tasked with repeating the process, they FAKED the results to show that it DIDN'T work...

who was the man that tried to bring this out that the books were being cooked, and resigned from the DOE in anger and frustration?

That's his obituary in the story...
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:35 PM
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4. Got evidence for that theory?
I'd love to see it.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:38 PM
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7. Google is your friend... n/m
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:41 PM
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8. But a brief item... DOE To Revisit Cold Fusion
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/energy-tech-04w.html

New York (UPI) Apr 02, 2004

The U.S. Department of Energy is planning to give cold fusion a warmer reception after many years of skepticism and even ridicule as the agency pursues an official review of the controversial technology. James Decker, deputy director of DOE's Office of Science, said the review actually began last fall when he met with scientists to discuss the state of cold fusion research.

(snip)

He described the physicists with whom he met as possessing "excellent credentials," including Peter Hagelstein of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, David Nagel of The George Washington University in Washington, and Michael McKubre of SRI International in Menlo Park, Calif., a non-profit research institute that contracts for the government, businesses and other non-profits.

(snip)

"Finally, after years of actively stopping such research on the subject, a few brave souls in the organization are starting a process that should have been undertaken years ago," said Ed Storms, a retired radiochemist from Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

"At the very least, a safe and inexpensive source of energy will be created that will change society in ways that are hard to imagine. At the very least, the damage caused by pollution and the brakes on development caused by a dwindling oil supply will be problems of the past," he told UPI.

(more)

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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:45 PM
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11. Deciding to look at the evidence again doesn't mean that CF exists
Have there been any peer-reviewed journal articles about cold fusion?
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:33 AM
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22. Yeah, I read those peer reviews back when I was in school.
Back in the early 90s, as an aspiring (and failed) chemist. Virtually all of the reviewers said the experiment was bullshit and irreproducable--in fact, I don't think the results were ever reproduced, by the scientists who broke the news or anyone else. My poorly learned schooling tells me it's crap, but you obviously shouldn't take it from me--I'm a historian now, and I'm still a shitty chemist.

No reputable news source had the balls to challenge the peer-review results. Now, that Chernikov radiation stuff is finally getting some traction. That, however, is a totally different story from the one which began with some dirty Erlenmayer flasks way back when. Check out the archives at www.newscientist.com for the outlook on that new stuff.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:52 PM
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15. Ed Storms is a crackpot
With $50G and some laboratory glassware he claims to have uncovered the secret which the brightest minds at the DOE and $15B couldn't.

More likely his reactor is running on peyote buttons than hydrogen...

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion.html

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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:44 PM
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9. You've got a theory
Back it up.

Debates don't work by one person making an assertion, then stating that the other person should convince themselves.

If you want to convince people that the government is covering something up, you'll need to learn how to write persuasive arguments - otherwise, it's hard to distinguish yourself from the noise.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:35 PM
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5. Mallove had a working device with cold fusion
to show the DoE commissioner, that's how he got the meeting.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:51 PM
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14. There's been a few instances that some scientist
has proclaimed that they figured it out playing with some test tubes, but then when their scientist buddies came along to verify and asked why the whole block wasn't turned into rubble they had no explanation.

Hilarious.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:32 PM
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2. Cold fusion was a hoax
Everything about it.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:36 PM
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6. Tell that to the researchers around the world that have been....
... rsearching and proving that it IS real. Just not in this country. Gee.. wonder why they wouldn't want a new energy source to be found that could decrease the dependency on oil...
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:45 PM
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10. Maybe it's in Cheney's Energy Papers-
Edited on Sun May-16-04 11:45 PM by loftycity
The Old Energy companies would be out. No we cannot have that-- we have to keep Halliburton propped up for the next 10 years. Rosco T thanks for the support!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:46 PM
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12. Just who are those researchers?
:tinfoilhat:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:48 PM
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13. Yet they still can't do it.
All this theory, no results.

Lots of concepts and stories and graphs and pictures and stuff, but no heat.
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Alex88 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:55 PM
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16. Coast to Coast like Art Bell before them has a history of repeat
Edited on Mon May-17-04 12:24 AM by Alex88
fraudulent guests. A lot of Endtimeser's too.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:01 AM
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17. What, they couldn't get him into a small airplane? n/t
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:02 AM
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18. Eugene Mallove was a freeper?
(Freeper) Dr. Eugene Mallove is dead
Posted on 05/15/2004 10:17:14 PM PDT

Shocking and tragic news from Steven B. Krivit:

It is with great sadness that we report the passing of Gene Mallove, who was killed on May 14, 2004 apparently due to some sort of involvement with a property dispute. It is considered by the police to be a homicide and an investigation is underway.

Gene is survived by his wife Joanne, son Ethan and daughter Kim. No funeral arrangements are known at this time.

Gene Mallove, who, in his 1991 book "Fire from Ice: Searching for the Truth behind the Cold Fusion Furor," was the first to courageously and boldly express the truth behind cold fusion, long before any science journalist even dared to ask questions that challenged the prevailing view. For 15 years, Gene maintained the cold fusion "torch" at great personal sacrifice, which initially drew many to learn the truth behind cold fusion."
(Freeper) Dr. Eugene Mallove is dead
zpenergy ^ | 2004-05-15 | "vlad"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136445/posts


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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:14 AM
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25. regardless, its a shame.
If cold fusion is real, this is a definate still a setback to finding alternative fuel sources. Poor guy...
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:18 AM
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19. Cold fusion is valid science...and there are plenty of articles on it
Edited on Mon May-17-04 12:42 AM by linazelle
I found this one:
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/2004/ColdFusion_DOE/

and these: http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/inthenews.html

And plenty of others on Google. I just read an article in Newsweek the other day about it. This news is disturbing.
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:19 AM
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20. Cold fusion=Hoax. Sorry, I wish it was other.
The demonstrations showed an extremely small amount of net energy produced, but it was well within the error of the instrumentation. Even the tiny amount of energy that they claimed would have produced lethal levels of neutron radiation in a test tube setup. Cold fusion is a fantasy.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:27 AM
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21. If it's a "fantasy" why are scientists reviewing it's validity?
There have been some successful experiments. Why all the naysaying and debunking? Obviously cold fusion is a volatile issue for many which makes the death of Mallove all the more disturbing.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:55 AM
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24. Scientists reviewed it, past tense. Concluded it was fantasy.
There have been no successful experiments and the only "scientists" who study it set up their posters out in the parking garages whenever there's a science conference.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:48 AM
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23. That would be hilarious.
If the execs at big oil were so stupid they'd actually believe cold fusion and knock off some kook.
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