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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 08:33 AM
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Anybody here read Bernard Lewis?
_What Went Wrong_ or _The Crisis of Islam_

Opinions?

I find him quite compelling. He seems to be an honest historian. As usual honest history provides enough evidence of screw ups that nobody gets away looking like the good guys.

One interesting little 'sound bite' - Western countries are collections of religious cultures within the boundaries of diverse nations. Islam is a diverse religious culture that includes a collection of nations.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:17 AM
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1. I find him conservative but fair.
He was on CSPAN Book TV yesterday and made an interesting point; that there is no direct Arabic translation for the English word "freedom", that it is usually translated into a word that is closer to our "privilege". Think about Bush's blatherings in that light for a moment. "They hate us because of our privileges".
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:37 AM
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2. I Saw Him on CSPAN2 Yesterday
and thought he was great! One of those eloquent traditional academics who can light up a lecture room without even raising his voice.

Some of the many things that struck me:
--His depiction of a Sultan or Caliph as being subject to the law. Subordinates have a duty to DISobey if the Sultan's orders are not in keeping with the Koran or the law.

--The group decisionmaking practiced in traditional monarchies like the Ottoman empire. Before setting an important policy, the Sultan had to confer with many groups -- tribal chieftains, religious authorities, scribes, the business community, etc.

--The origins of the Baath Party: France's colonies in Syria and Lebanon decided to stay with the Vichy government rather than the Free French in WWII. This allowed the Nazis to create a base there in the Middle East. This was the origin of Baathist party; it started with the Nazis and was modified by Iraq's alliance with Stalinist Russia.

--His statement that those who feel that we should let the Iraqis return to an authoritarian government because that's the way they've always done things shows an ignorance of Islamic history, a misinterpretation of the current situation, and a lack of concern about the future of Iraq.
He did make me think different about "democracy" in Iraq. Despite Bush's attempts to control the process, it would be a very good thing for the Iraqis to take the reins and have a truly representative government.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:52 AM
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3. I have
Edited on Mon May-17-04 09:53 AM by Aidoneus
there is much in his I dislike.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:01 AM
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4. Such as?
I find some things he says uncomfortable, but nothing that he doesn't seem to support pretty well.

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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:34 AM
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5. If you read Lewis
You should read Edward Said, as well, for balance.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:38 AM
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6. Any specific title by Said?
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:46 AM
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7. Orientalism n/t
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