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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:11 AM
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The end of American Empire
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4381.htm

A historian credited with predicting the downfall of the Soviet Union in the 1970s now says that the US has been on its way out for the last decade

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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:22 AM
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1. well
caligula certainl;y helped the fall of the roman empire.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:05 AM
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2. U.S. on its way out?
The USSR freed its slave nation suppliers or oranges, wheat, oil, and more and went back to being Russia.

I hope the U.S. splits into a christian and jewish political coalition state somewhere including and overlapping Texas and all 27-30% of the nation who make up their most ardent folowers. They need to take their guns and fetuses, weapons manufacturers and earth extractors, armies and justice dept and hire someone to build a wall between them and Mexico and us. Then they can write their perfect constitution that ensure that only perfect citizens occupy the land.

Sorry Texas citizens who don't qualify.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:15 AM
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3. we Texans would need more walls
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 10:17 AM by silverlib
edited for spelling and bad grammar!

The Mexican border counties usually vote Democrat. Austin votes Democrat. I guess this would be considered "buidling the infrastructure?" I'm a Texan, but worry that now people will say, "As Texas goes, so goes the Nation."
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:15 AM
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4. Good book on this: The End of the American Era
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 10:16 AM by AP
I first heard about this book on Tavis Smiley. The author, a guy from the Clinton administration named Kapuchinak (sp???), argues that America has been the single pole in the world and that Europe is emerging as a second pole. He says that when this happened to the Roman empire (divided to save itself between Constantinople and Rome), the competition eventually led to Rome's downfall.

The book is fascinating, and well-argued. I don't agree with everything, though. I think it's true that Europe is emerging as a second pole, but I don't think the competition is bad. In fact, if you look at the US, it's formed on the premise that competition on a field governed by the rule of law a certain liberal principles about equality of opportunity, produces greater wealth -- you can harness competition to create great benefits for society.

Nonetheless, the book is absolutely brilliant and explains a great deal of what I think Bush is trying to do -- I think Iraq, especially, is designed to sabotage Europe so that the US doesn't have to have a real, liberal, competitive economy (you can't have a Keynes-style middle class wealth-producing competitive economy while you're giving all the wealth of your nation to the lazy rich corporations and individuals).

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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:01 AM
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5. However
doomed dream or not, IF the rest of the world lies prone or collaborates or is suckered and pressured, this fiasco will continue to reduce "reality" to ashes in order to prevail. That is their plan while the rest of us sit back and presume the majority and common sense will just prevail with no effort.

This is the Right Wing's jail break from history. Why do we just sit around and wait?
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:18 AM
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6. The Two Clearest Signs That This Author Is Right
1.) We count debt as revenue.

2.) We're overly proud about military victories against smaller nations that cannot defend themselves.

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