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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:43 PM
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U.S. Kidnaps children to use as hostages
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May 16, 2004
We kidnap children to loosen the tongues of their fathers
http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/archives/000791.html#more

MsSPENTyouth, one of my commentors at Jesus' General, sent the following clips to me. I think it's important that this information gets as widely distributed as possible. I've written letters to my senators. I urge you all to do the same.

I never felt shame for my country until Bush took office. I'm appalled that the following acts were conducted in my name.

We have your sons: CIA

March 10 2003 By Olga Craig
Two young sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11 attacks, are being used by the CIA to force their father to talk.

Yousef al-Khalid, 9, and his brother, Abed al-Khalid, 7, were taken into custody in Pakistan in September when intelligence officers raided a flat in Karachi where their father had been hiding.

Mohammed fled just hours before the raid but his sons and another senior al-Qaeda member were found cowering behind a wardrobe in the apartment.

The boys have been held by the Pakistani authorities but this weekend they were flown to America where they will be questioned about their father. CIA interrogators confirmed that the boys were staying at a secret address where they were being encouraged to talk about their father's activities. "We are handling them with kid gloves," said one official. "After all, they are only
little children, but we need to know as much about their father's recent activities as possible. We have child psychologists on hand at all times and they are given the best of are."

How do U.S. interrogators make a terrorist talk?

JESS BRAVIN and GARY FIELDS, The Wall Street Journal Tuesday, March 4, 2003
Other than torture or truth serum, American authorities have an array of
options in extracting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

<...> U.S. authorities have an additional inducement to make Mr. Mohammed talk, even if he shares the suicidal commitment of the Sept. 11 hijackers: The Americans have access to two of his elementary-school-age children, the top law-enforcement official says. The children were captured in a September raid that netted one of Mr. Mohammed's top comrades, Ramzi Binalshibh.

When interrogators finish with Mr. Mohammed, he is likely to face a U.S.
military tribunal, but that will probably be years from now.

U.S. Adopts Aggressive Tactics on Iraqi Fighters Intensified Offensive Leads To Detentions, Intelligence

By Thomas E. Ricks Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, July 28, 2003; Page A01
BAGHDAD -- Over the past six weeks a small but intense war has been
conducted in the mud-hut villages and lush palm groves along the Tigris
River valley, fought with far different methods than those used in the
campaign that toppled president Saddam Hussein.

<...> Col. David Hogg, commander of the 2nd Brigade of the 4th Infantry
Division, said tougher methods are being used to gather the intelligence. On Wednesday night, he said, his troops picked up the wife and daughter of an Iraqi lieutenant general. They left a note: "If you want your family released, turn yourself in." Such tactics are justified, he said, because, "It's an intelligence operation with detainees, and these people have info." They would have been released in due course, he added later.

The tactic worked. On Friday, Hogg said, the lieutenant general appeared at the front gate of the U.S. base and surrendered.

U.S. Troops Capture Iraqi Rebel's Nephews

U.S. troops raided two homes in this central Iraqi city early Wednesday, detaining four nephews of the insurgent suspected of organizing attacks against coalition forces. The raid came a day after hostile fire brought down a U.S. Army Apache attack helicopter west of Baghdad - the third aircraft lost this month.
The military said two of the detained men are suspected of helping to hide their uncle, former Iraqi Vice President Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri. The former right-hand man of Saddam Hussein, al-Douri has a $10 million bounty on his head and has become the most-wanted member of the former regime.

<...> His wife and daughter were arrested on Nov. 26 and remain in custody. The Army has refused to say why they were seized. Col. William Darley, a military spokesman, said Tuesday there were "special circumstances" surrounding their case.

U.S. Arrests Wife of Saddam Deputy

U.S. troops arrested the wife and daughter of a top Saddam Hussein deputy suspected of masterminding attacks on U.S. troops, and a major pipeline linking northern Iraqi oilfields to the country's biggest refinery was ablaze Wednesday.Hours after large explosions shook the center of Baghdad near U.S. headquarters, the visiting British foreign secretary said Iraq will be a safer place once the U.S.- and British-led coalition hands over power to an Iraqi government.
Troops of the U.S. 4th Infantry Division in Samarra, 70 miles north of Baghdad, arrested the wife and daughter of Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, a top Saddam associate, division spokesman Lt. Col. William MacDonald said Wednesday.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:45 PM
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1. Ah more war crimes
Yep these are WAR CRIMES... lets use the right terms here folks
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:48 PM
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2. I seriously doubt Spector, Sherwood and Santorum will care
but I'll give it a try.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:51 PM
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4. They would only care if a Blow Job was involved
And of coruse, Santorum would be sporting a stiffy for a week if Homosexual Sex Acts were involved.

That's Santorum's Secret Stiffy, like the rest of the homosecually-repressed (but still desiring a Tasty Man-Tuber) Freeper/Dittohead/Brownshirt crowd.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:51 PM
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5. Duplicate post
Edited on Mon May-17-04 03:52 PM by tom_paine
Duplicate.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:50 PM
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3. Where are the 'heroes' of our time...
...to counter the evil being done in our name? I've never been so disappointed in the Democratic party in my life. How can they know about this and say nothing? How can they vote with the 'evildoers' on the Right to continue these crimes against humanity?

- And for those who would accuse me of 'bashing' Democrats. We EXPECT this kind of thing from the 'new' Republicans...but how do Democrats explain their silence?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:54 PM
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7. Those are good questions, Q.
I'd like to know the answers myself.

Can we restore the Old Republic without much help from Democrats who, it seems, grow more comfortable with Imperial Tyranny every day?

I don't know, but no matter what THE FIRST STEP IS ELECTING KERRY IN NOVEMBER, if that is even an option given what little the Imperial Family will allow in Occupied Amerika.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 04:22 PM
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10. Exactly
First put out the fire.

THEN we discuss remodeling - as soon as it's out!
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 04:02 PM
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8. Damn good question!
The differences between the parties are indeed trivial when they concur on these type of tactics.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:52 PM
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6. This administration is rotten to the core.
Edited on Mon May-17-04 03:58 PM by Cleita
These are tactics Saddam used as well. Are these children being tortured too?

Can we call them Nazis now?
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 04:21 PM
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9. It's been done before....
by the FBI in the US during the Civil Rights era.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:45 PM
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13. Or it could have been criminals claiming government immunity
during the illegal Operation CHAOS as part of the Huston Plan approved by Richard Nixon which placed all the resources of US government in the hands of operatives including murderers, rapists, torturers, slavers, cultists, etc. which law enforcement has had investigations and cases shut down by previously unnamed individuals and entities abusing the national security classification system to cover-up horrific crimes including SRA/Satanic Ritual Abuse like on some of the evidence being held by the Pentagon which our Senators viewed.

I personally know a bit about the subject of government criminal cults, PSYOPS, and Operation CHAOS.

But so does law enforcement. This can no longer be contained. It has harmed our nation.

The search for truth never stops.
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 04:40 PM
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11. Been calling 'em Nazis since they started acting like 'em
"kinder and genlter" to be sure but anyone who has studied Totalitarianism can see it.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 04:50 PM
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12. Thanks for dusting this one off!
I guess that makes us the second most moral military in the world!
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