Randi : That was prejudiced and moronic.

I dont know what your problem is with the French.
Maybe they didnt like YOU?

The French were correct. Bush is a dangerous moron. They stood for what is right while we let Bush and the new nazi party run all over us.

Get it together.

:cry: it makes me sad. But some of the things she says about the other hosts demoralizes me towards AAR. It makes me not want to listen to her sometimes.

Randi is SO awesome but she can be a bit much.

But that's the same formula that helped get El Drugbo to his spot. We haven't had an equivalent in a decade. I agree in the ideal world you would be correct, but it's time to fight fire with fire.

Dude...Get your post together....

"dis" the french.

and it was weak and shallow.
She might as well be Rush.
Stereotyping is stupidity.

What did she FUCKING say!

She said the regardless of who the leaders are in France, the people are chickens and run from any conflict....

and she said they hate americans....

she also said they are rude and cowards

it was L A M E

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I haven't heard her exact accusations, but I'd love to read your summary.
What do you blame the French for: Is it that they faced enormous diplomatic pressure because they did not enter an illegal, winnable war?
That they are among the most active and benevolent peacekeeping nations in Africa?


I mean I don't like Chirac one bit, but this strange "the French" Americans seem to be obsessed with is hard to understand. Not every policy of a Government is supported by a majority of the people.

.. but we have the French to thank for our freedoms. Randi needs to chill out.. she's becoming so shrill, I don't like right wingers like that, and don't need to hear it from the left, either.

Her comments were just stupid.

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...by giving us badly-needed supplies, sending a large fleet to offset the British fleet, and sending French troops that helped us surround the British at Yorktown.

...read more history and telling them why THEY SHOULD DO SO is AGAINST THE RULES???

Does the Moderator hate the French, too????

WTF????

How was it put...In your opinion it wasn't sarcastic...That's what I wanted to know.. Thanks...

BTW: Welcome to DU..

they hate f***ing morons.

I heard a caller start to mention Noam Chomsky and she couldn't hang up on him fast enough.

She tries to be a combo of Ralph Kramden and Bette Midler.

Harsh, yes. But she can reach the know-nothing undecideds and leave the erudite stuff to Franken.

Now my pro-French tidbit: THEY WERE THE ONES WHO WARNED THE CIA THAT THERE WERE AL QUEDA IN THE USA! THEY WERE THE ONES WHO INTERVIEWED JOHN O'NEILL AND WROTE THE BOOK, 'THE FORBIDDEN TRUTH' ABOUT THE BIN LADEN/BUSH CONNECTION.

Merci.

If i wanted to listen to bombastic flame throwing bullshit i'd listen to Limbaugh. She's not helping. After Franken i switch to Don and Mike bash Bush, they are much funnier at it.

For whatever reason.

The more I hear her the less impressed I am.

oooooeeeeevaaaaayyyyyyy

Or maybe they can't be painted with a broad brush like the French? :crazy:

are we going too fast for you?

but I suspect her comment had to do with irony and sarcasm...she uses this a lot.

it was just French bashing :(

The French came to this countries defense in the Revolutionary War. How quick we forget.

french is still the "n" word here

We poke a lot of fun at the french canadians here in miami but its because we have so many snowbirds and they are different.
The french canadian friends I have are some of the nicest, most generous people you could hope to meet.

just pointing it out. Also French intervention was for French interests, not because they cared about the newly independent colonies.

As if we intervened in Europe during WWI and WWII out of pure altruism! Preposterous.

Besides, any actual examination of the French in WWI would evacuate the charge of cowardice of all meaning. Do a google search on the battle of Verdun.

but the french are the original masters and practicioners of the very things they critisize the US for today. That is a fact. You want to learn how the be colonialist, the french would top the list of mentors.

Whether they practiced colonialism in the past should have no bearing on whether they are correct in identifying American imperialism run amok today.

That's not hypocrisy.

It's progress.

the US, after all, was born in a war against an imperial power, and now it is the major imperial power of the world.

so they have no right to point out abuses by the most powerful country in the world? I see.

And in response to your earlier post, they don't "hate" us. I was there for over a week six months ago and didn't have a single bad experience. I've met plenty more assholes in cities like New York than Paris.

American entry into the World Wars was for American interests. Big deal. Doesn't change the fact that if France didn't help us out, the American Revolution may have been snuffed out.

When people say things like the French are cowards, why don't they just cut to the quick and say, "I know nothing about history."

world war I inflicted such a large number of casualities on the French population that come time for world war II, they simply didn't have enough people to defend the country.

millions of young french men died in those two wars.

and who care if it was for french interests, we still wouldn't have won if it wasn't for them.

The French had the largest standing army in 1940. They were defeated by the technology and blitzkreig warfare tactics used by the Germans. They were totally unprepared.

...you embarrass yourself further.

It's nice that people remember the French blockade and the works of people like Lafayette. It would be nicer to remember things have happened in the space of 200+ years.

France is a rival and sometime ally; nothing more, nothing less.

it takes some people two hundred years, or even longer!

particularly in Paris- but then again, so can Americans, particularly New Yorkers... :evilgrin:

It's something you get used to-

Hey, fuck off, chief, eh?;-)

(BTW: I have never been so rudely treated in any city - from Ho Chi Minh City to Paris to Milan to Mexico City - as I have been on several trips to Atlanta. No lie, GI.)

after working there on a project for a couple weeks, is that they're not really 'rude' per se, they're just in a hurry. Every single freaking one of them. It takes about three days of observation, but it eventually becomes clear. ;)

It's just a different social speed.

There is no "normal" social speed, but rather variable social speeds that have to do with material conditions and other factors. The New York social speed is often perceived as rudeness by those used to slower social speeds (talking, transactions, walking, responding, etc. etc. etc.). So, when I am down South for work, I am often infuriated by the slowness of checking out of retail stores. People gab with the checkout person and then - horror of horrors - place there change or checkbooks back into their purses or pockets while still blocking the line. MOVE, MOTHERFUCKER!!! Hey, howy'doin? Says the check out woman. I grunt. Nice day today, isn't it; great day for washing a car, mmm? Uh. Let's go, sweetheart. Let's fucking move this process!

But in fact, I'm not "in a hurry." I have no place else to go. I just have a different understanding and expectation of what constitutes an occasion for slowness, or a conversation. Don't get me wrong, I'll sit in a bar for 8 hours straight if need be. I can do slowness. But just not in certain situations.

Sure sounds like it.

That's funny....

so much for Southern hospitality.

:eyes:

and to several continents, and Boston has by far the rudest people (and craziest drivers) ANYWHERE. (Present company excepted)

I love Boston. When I was younger I spent a lot of time there. My husband was hospitalized there a few years ago and I stayed there. Would move there if I could, so much to do there compared to where I live.

On the other hand, I went to NYC a few times and swore I will never go there again. Give me Boston any day. :-)

I found bostonians, in general, were very rude on the surface and the best people in the world underneath their gruff exteriors.

I have visited France twice. And they pretend to not speak English until you pull out your credit cards or cash and suddenly their English is flawless. And they will laugh at the Americans' feeble attempts to speak French. Believe me, I know.

The ones we came in contact with were all very nice and helpful.

Sadly i had never formal education in French. As a result I'm unable to speak or write proper French, while I'm able to understand and read the language to a limited extend.

Being American might be a problem with some Frenchmen, being German certainly is - with much better reason btw. So far I had never problems in France - it was always possible to get understood, largely due to the fantastic help of the locals. And yes: Being called "Boche" is quite common.

I don't think that anybody would deny to speak English because of malice - I really don't.

and both times found parisians to be polite & considerate (except for the gypsy kid who tried to pickpocket me, but that's another story). no one ever laughed at my french (and believe me, it's not that great) & in fact, became even MORE helpful after i uttered a few fractured french phrases.

otoh, i've been treated & talked to quite rudely here in the us, and ironically, NOT in nyc. should i post that all americans are rude, illiterate morans who couldn't find their butts straight up from a hole in the ground because of it?

it's all in your attitude. if you treat people with politeness & respect, 9 times out of 10 they will respond to you in kind.

dg

wonderful. I was expecting rudeness and disdain. Saw not a bit of it.

visitor in Chinese?

You must not get out much!

</sarcasm>

Yes, they are less warm than some other european countries towards Americans but I found them genuinely friendly once you got to know them, they are just wary of the loss of their culture.

By the way, Molly Ivins wrote an excellent piece about the french 15 months ago during the "freedom fries" days:

http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/national/ivins/story/6136732p-7092269c.html

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George Will saw fit to include in his latest Newsweek column this joke: "How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris? No one knows, it's never been tried." That was certainly amusing. One million, four hundred thousand French soldiers were killed during World War I. As a result, there weren't many Frenchmen left to fight in World War II. Nevertheless, 100,000 French soldiers lost their lives (not to mention civilians and the free french resistance) trying to stop Hitler.

On behalf of every one of those 100,000 men, I would like to thank Mr. Will for his clever joke. They were out-manned, out-gunned, out-generaled and, above all, out-tanked. They got slaughtered, but they stood and they fought. Ha-ha, how funny. In the few places where they had tanks, they held splendidly.

it was very true, europe was fighting panzers with donkeys. i have read extensively on WWII in europe and know my facts here. nazi germany had by far the most modern and powerful military on earth. i have been particularly fascinated by how such a madman could come to power in a westernized democracy and i am sorry to tell you that many of the scare tactics used on the population then are being employed now. also keep in mind that french help in our own revolution was key and we would not be the USA today without them.

Dissed in France!

I'm about to laugh along with them...

I've been to Paris numerous times. Sometimes I had good experiences. Sometimes I had bad experiences. But I'm all grown ups, and I don't get pouty about folks who may be resentful. Rather focus on all the good and helpful folks over there.

...who hadn't bothered to learn the French language and speak it well. Did you know that the French consider that to be very rude and disrespectful?

I'm guessing that you didn't.

will laugh at anyone and everyone's accent? and not just IN the USA either - I've heard American tourists make hilarious jokes about teh Australian accent whilst HERE and asking me for directions (not to mention asking where I keep my kangaroo - really it's a REGULAR question)

Besides maybe "they" aren't rude maybe you came across as boorish or pushy and it was YOUR behaviour that was innapropriate? I'm not saying it was but to act like you KNOW all French people aer rude because you visited there is a bit rich.

Not all cultures are the same perhaps you were being rude in French eyes without even realising it.

its just a fact of life and many get a strange pleasure insulting them. They are hypocrits and have no place to speak about bad foreign policy, colonialism, or anything they accuse the united states of. They were one of the original masters of this.

You will find the French did not invent colonialism or empire. You do seem to get a strange pleasure out of insulting them though so at least you have that part right.

We cannot tolerate imperfections.

and she needs to reeducate herself regarding this.....

I hear a lot of people say a lot worse things about conservatives and republicans and theres no problem with that. Why are the cheese eating surrender monkeys any different :evilgrin:

(a joke btw and gratuitous french bash)

sarcastic :shrug: that's the way I took it at first but then I wasn't quit sure?

before Air America - she was not being sarcastic.... I've been disappointed in her because she seems to think that the military folks being court martialed over the Iraq prison torture were just following orders and then didn't know better. I understand her point that these folks should not be the scape goats for the higher ups - Miller - Rumsfeld - Cheney - Bush - but for God's sake you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know these actions were wrong wrong wrong. No need to be an expert in the Geneva Convention to know these acts were COMPLETELY INAPROPIATE BEHAVIOR.

and it was obnoxious to describe all of france as scared and unwilling to help a friend and some other derogatory crap I dont remember.

Look France and Canada are right in deep up to their evil eyeballs with Bush in Haiti yet they opposed Iraq. Why? I dont know. Both Iraq and Haiti are wrong as satans smile.

I just find it pitiful and moronic to prejudice like that.

.. a bigoted tirade is not a mistake. If that was the case, I guess we can say that Trent Lott made a mistake in his comments regarding Thurmon. She didn't quote something inaccurately, she insulted an entire country with her mean, bigoted statements. She's need to kick it down a notch. She becoming impossible to listen to.

.. a bigoted tirade is not a mistake. If that was the case, I guess we can say that Trent Lott made a mistake in his comments regarding Thurmon. She didn't quote something inaccurately, she insulted an entire country with her mean, bigoted statements. She's need to kick it down a notch. She becoming impossible to listen to.

ignorance and bigotry are another.

their gov't and corporate society is just as sneaky as any others in the west. they had high stakes in saddam's iraq.

when the Germans attacked in WWII, a French tank assault almost collapsed the entire German flank,and may very well have prolonged the battle long enough for Britain to become more heavily involved. It was only Rommel's deployment of a line of 88mm AA guns that stopped it near Arras. And do not get me started on the heroics of the Resistance movement and how many Allied pilots they saved. I am tired of their bravery being diminished. The Germans had been building for war and developed new tactics against the French who may have depended too much on the Maginot Line...it was NOT cowardice! No one calls the British leaving from Dunkirk an example of cowardice.

I did not hear Randi on this part about the French. The repeat is happening now from WKOJ AM620 so maybe I will hear it.

http://www.super62.com/listen/index.php


Regardless, Randi speaks a lot of truth about the crap that is going on. She may sound paranoid or conspiratorial to some, but in these days, that is right on target.


Assume the best or dismiss the worst about BushCo and the Repuglikkkans at your own peril!!

her show but I thought she said, if we were right to go into Iraq we would have had more support from other countries.

Can I just ask about Euro's and the French? I remember Sadam had changed oil revenues from $$$$ to Euro's which deflated our $$$.

cut us a amazingly generous deal for the Louisiana Purchase. . .ah that would be a good part of middle america, and gave us the statue of Liberty.

I've lived there and love thier culture.

And while we were bashing them for wimping out (most wisely) in regards to Iraq, they were sending their troops to the Congo. . .where canibalism is still commonly practiced in warfare.

C'est vrai!

I'd rather have Howard Stern on my radio...I gave her a chance, left for awhile, returned and now I'm gone forever. I'll never listen to her show again and I refuse to suggest that others listen.

The funny thing is that she honestly believes other people give a damn about her. Her arrogance is without bounds and her ego needs to get taken down a peg.

Too bad about Air America, I had such great hopes....

her rants & raving became tired to me. Very quickly. Unfortunately (or fortunately), I can't listen to her in my car any longer with no AAR station in Chicago. And I can't even try to listen at the office, since all of our audio on the computers are disabled.

Oh well, someone tell me when AAR gets better...

I just don't get it.

Hey,

I've found the French to be more polite than most people among whom I've traveled. Parisians are on the snotty side but no more so than New Yorkers in my observation. There's just something mechanical about French-bashing, especially from people who have never been there. They need to have an enemy, and that enemy has to "think they're better than we are." Since the French actually do have a claim to be better than we are in a number of domains, they're the enemy, and to be hated.

If anyone were ever to write "I know the French well, and I loathe them" I'd pay some attention. But it's always people who don't know them who rant against them, purely out of ignorance and xenophobia.

CYD

Maybe that was your problem. City folk are in a hurry and country folk like to talk about the weather for an hour with people they don’t know. Just different lifestyles. I’ve done both so I can adjust in either just fine.

Hey,

As a country guy (with urban origins) I haven't found the big cities of London, Chicago, Washington, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay, Delhi, etc. to have a striking proportion of rude, abrupt, snotty people with a major attitude problem. Boston, New York, and Paris do; but one cannot generalize from them that Americans or French are snotty and rude. Nor do I have any inclination to discuss weather with strangers, but eye contact and a modicum of human respect is what I expect and find everywhere but a small handful of places.

CYD

Randi says one questionable thing and the Randi haters
come out and have a party.

Oh, fun.

/sarcasm off

She Took A Caller That Disagreed With Her, But She Failed To See The Light. I Don't Get Any Comment Regarding An Entire Country.

Let's Play $100,000.00 Pyramid!

Uhhh I Hate Germans, Uhh I Hate The French, Uhh I Hate You

What A Conservative Dick Head Would Say!

YOU WIN!

Nice Going Randi!

but I've had to switch her off on several occasions since she moved to AAR. She's occasionally wrong on facts - which happens on radio a lot, I know - but when she's wrong she's usually yelling at someone, and that's over the line for me. If you do that, you're no better than Rush. The only person who can talk like they're always right is the person who is always right.

She wouldn't lose any listeners if she did less yelling at her callers and used more of her humor.

To me, there seems to be 3 kinds of liberal radio host:

Thom Hartmann frustrates me because it's like listening to an episode of "Family Ties", but he is one of the few who realizes that his job is to hand us the ammunition to go out and fight.

Mike Malloy was great because he would rant and vent, but the rage was about US, not him. We'd all get taken along for the ride, and when a caller phoned in with something interesting, Mike would change pace and TALK with the caller, not treat them like they just screwed up a good rant.

The third kind seems to be this "hey, watch me be angry" performance, where the host suggests they've been passed secret messages from the DNC saying "we can't say this stuff, {insert host's name here}, but we're counting on YOU to save the country". If I needed to hear ego, I'd just leave Faux news running all day.

For those of you who want to explain Randi Rhodes to me and say "oh, that's just her way", please don't bother. I streamed her for at least a year from WJNO and loved it. But in my opinion she's changed, and I won't be listening until she pulls the carrot out of her ass.

I thought Air America was liberal.

I think it's one of those stupid things that is supposed to be some big eternal joke, but it;s just stupid.

I like all the french people I've ever met, I've been to their country and was treated nicely. I've always had a great time visiting their country...

this is one of my pet peeves.

I don't understand why she yells at people who agree with her. And what is with this French bashing crap - who cares and how does it help get that war criminal Bush out of the (formerly)White House.

to help her NOT speak her mind sometimes. She can sometimes behave like the other side when she gets her temper up.


v.o.r.

Randi for the first time today. She is not my cup of tea. I don't think I'll be listening to her very often. I like Franken, though.

I've turned a bunch of people onto Aair America and XM radio over the past few weeks, and to a person, not one of them can stand listening to Randi. Me included.

I don't listen to Air America. I HATE talk radio.

To me, the radio is for MUSIC.

Why is god's name would a progressive take up that crap?

I'm 50/50 on Randi. She bugs the hell out of me sometimes and then other times I like what she says.

liked the way she does her show... specifically how she talks down to ANYONE who calls. I mean, come on. without the listeners she'd be nothing, atleast treat them with some freakin' respect!

I didnt like her before AAR and I still dun like her!


I WANT MIKE MALLOY BACK!

But then, I don't take radio too seriously.