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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:22 AM
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:24 AM
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1. Remember the last week of Gore's campaign?
Kerry is simply warming up to that level. Give him time. The engines are simply purring to life right now.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:27 AM
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3. He presents himself well
Whatever candidate we end up with is going to have to thread two needles simultaneously. Being far left enough to rally the base while not being so far left that he alienates centrists. I don't think Kerry has to worry about alienating centrists, but I'm also not sure he will be able to rally the base behind him.

But I like him a lot, and he has been tougher than some of the other charectars so we'll see what happens.

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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:25 AM
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2. The person that said he was listless and soporific
has not met him or seen him speak - bet money. Kerry has a full time job as a senator - Howard Dean gets to spend ALL of his time campaigning.

I really don't see Kerry as having weak points aside from the fact that he is battling cancer.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:30 AM
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4. for a full time job
he sure does miss showing up to work a lot. (even before and excluding health reasons)
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:31 AM
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5. Hmm... when I see him smacking his lips after chomping a juicy dove....
When I heard that he hunts and EATS doves - the very symbol of peace on earth - well, that did it for me.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:36 AM
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10. doves, pigeons- who cares? Pheasant is very tasty too!
Kerry is an ogre BTW. He hides in a cave and attacks unsuspecting hunters. GOP ones of course. :evilgrin:

http://birds.cornell.edu/ppw/faq.htm
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:31 AM
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6. Let's see how he balances his ticket. If he selects Clark or Dean
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 11:37 AM by alfredo
he will be unbeatable in a fair election.

Assuming he wins the primaries.

About any weakness can be overcome with a good veep pick. Gore muted the inexperience charges. and unlike Bush 1, Clinton had a totally qualified veep 1 heartbeat away.

Some say Kerry is aloof, he needs to dispell that perception. A gregarious veep can help too.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:32 AM
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7. His war vote
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:33 AM
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8. His message is listless
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 11:52 AM by Armstead
I know he's a liberal, but he has gotten too caught up in the Beltway Syndrome. And he's been influenced too much by the DLC/Centrist retreat from liberal principles. He wants to be "for the people" without offending the Corporate Elite or the media.

So he tries to have it both ways.

Personally I wish he would be placed into a room with Kucinich, Sharpton and Dean, and come out inspired to share the same vigorous dedication to real liberalism and progressive politics with no more waffling.

He also needs to be able to fire up his engines personally as a campaigner, and give more of an imprssion that he enjoys it (like Clinton) rather than it being a necessary evil.

If he could do those things, IMO he could well be our next president.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:35 AM
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9. He seems unable to crack a smile
Ok, I've seen him smile, but he looks way too serious most of the time. He really looks like he is taking himself extremely seriously and I think that could work to Bush's advantage.
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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:37 AM
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11. I'm tired of the grandious speaking style.
Not to mention the fact that he voted for Iraq and the Patriot act.
Can't support him.
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mcaverly Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:43 AM
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15. I agree completely with Armstead
He does not act like he really enjoys campaigning. His message is muted and you feel that he is always framing his responses in order to not offend anyone. I was heartened when he made the comment about Bush in the spring (about regime change) but the it seemed he was put off by the critical comments and was afraid to get that kind of reaction again.
Dean definitely does not have that problem..... You know his feelings--both positive and negative.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:49 PM
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31. Hi mcaverly!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:37 AM
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12. It's clearly his Iraq war vote -- not just the vote itself, but the way he
presented it -- trying to be both for it & against it simultaneously. This was even worse than, for example, Edwards' vote for the Iraq resolution, because at least Edwards didn't try to play both sides at once.

Beyond that: far too much silence on the Bush outrages of the last few years. Someone with Kerry's prominence should have been a leader in assailing Bush every step of the way -- and Kerry has not done that.



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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:48 AM
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19. Also, LOL, Edwards is from North Carolina.
As they've voted for Poppy Bush, Bob Dole, Junior, and Liddy Dole, it's also possible that Edwards was voting the way his constituents wanted him to.

But he did say he was doing it cause he thought it was good to remove Saddam. :puke:
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:38 AM
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13. LOL ! Of course
it simply is.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:38 AM
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14. His handlers'"product placement" approach to his campaign.
Plus, his insider status, his droopy face, his boring professor demeanor and his ever-too-safe-and-contrived politician's politician polish.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:50 AM
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21. And they complained about Gore being "wooden"
Gore was a firebrand by comparison.

Bush may be the ultimate stupid white man that can appeal to the dumbed-down while shmoozing at the club with the good ol' boys of power.

The only votes Kerry would inspire will be those forced to vote against Bush. Kerry will only diminish our chances to rally the country for change.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:44 AM
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16. His inability to edit drives me crazy.
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 11:50 AM by tjdee
Now, I was open to Kerry, swung wildly the other way (not because of the war) and am warming up to him again. Partly because I think he's going to get the nomination, so I might as well learn to like him, LOL!

I was a little surprised to learn about the manual work he did in high school, for one thing.

But he has GOT to have someone tell him when to edit. He is very well informed, and very bright, but he acts if he's so determined to say every little thing on his mind he can't help himself--whether it is to fully explain, or that he's so in love with his brilliance, or whatever, but GEEZ can he talk/write. It can come off as boring, waffling, etc. and I hope he has someone who isn't a "yes man" to tell him so should he win the nom.

For example, at the AFL-CIO thing, the moderator had to interrupt him at least twice (maybe just twice, don't remember).

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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:44 AM
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17. that he's a leader
I've seen more leadership from Rush Limbaugh
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:48 AM
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18. I feel sorry for Kerry
it is a tragedy that his ego will only allow him to learn his faults only after he is defeated. Gore learned this the hard way as well....
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:50 AM
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20. His Public appearances
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 11:51 AM by Capn Sunshine
They seem too scripted; when he spoke at UCLA (I was there for the Howard Dean post-candidate debate appearance) it seemed as if he was running from the position of incumbent, like this is a Senate campaign.

This has much to do with his orientation, but the Senatorial thing keeps reminding us he's part of the insiders; the inside the beltway club that GW Bush so effectively used in his run against Gore.

IMO when the dust settles one of our guys, either Kerry or Dean, will occupy the top of the ticket. I just wanted to remind Kerry supporters that amongst Dean supporters , a recent poll showed him leading the alternate candidate poll, as in "if your guy loses who else would you support?"
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:50 AM
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22. He sold us out by supporting Bush.
It's that simple. He won't get my vote in the primary or (should the Dems be so unethical as to nominate him) the general.

Spare me the "then you want Bush" nonsense. I didn't vote for Bush, won't vote for Bush, and don't support his murderous little war.

Unlike Kerry.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:55 AM
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23. Well, he can't sell that face.....
He needs a little nip-n-tuck......
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Kanola Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:59 AM
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24. He is very cerebral
and that can translate as lack of warmth. I like that he is analytical and smart. From what I have been seeing of Kerry he is trying to be more personable, and I like what I see from him. He comes off sincere, serious and a class act. Sorry, other than some may perceive him as aloof I cannot find too much to drub him on. I think he can beat Bush too.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:01 PM
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25. He's from New England...
Of course, so is Dean.

Whoever wins needs to pick Graham or Edwards as VP.

Or another Southerner.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:14 PM
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29. No, he's a VermonterfromNewYork
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 12:50 PM by NewYorkerfromMass
quite the opposite of me. :)
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:05 PM
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26. I know appearances shouldn't matter but
they do! He looks like an undertaker and sounds like one too.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:11 PM
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28. Abraham Linoln looked like an undertaker, too
It's his hair, mostly.

I don't think the region of the country is as significant as the inside the beltway players like to think it is.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:09 PM
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27. Kerry weakest point is that he doesn't have enough
juice with the right folks.........and I ain't talking about O.J.
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:17 PM
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30. ...that he supported Dictator Bush's W-ar?
LOL.


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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:53 PM
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32. His war vote ...
He also comes across bland and unemotional - doens't bother me - just doesn't excite the masses. Would rather have a 'non-emotional' type with his finger on the button ....
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