Two veteran friends from PA think the Iraq prisoner abuse...

whistle

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Tue May-18-04 04:46 PM
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Two veteran friends from PA think the Iraq prisoner abuse...

Edited on Tue May-18-04 04:54 PM by whistle

...scandle may be a bigger issue than what most of the brass and politicians and the media and even the public fail to see:

"That is , if the pentagon has not issued the
orders to treat the prisoners like that,
then we have lost command and control of our military.

Scary.

That is what finally convinced the USSR
to pack it in.

They realized that they could no longer control
their military, according to John Pinta Craven,
the Navy's chief scientist at the time."

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patrice

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Tue May-18-04 04:49 PM
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1. Scapegoting enlisted while officers get retired with full pay

and contractor$ disappear with a lot more money than ordinary soldiers make will break Bush's support amongst the lower-middle and lower economic classes that are, usually, Bush's strong-hold. That's a big deal.

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Spazito

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Tue May-18-04 04:54 PM
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2. I think that is why Senators are looking very seriously at...

what Hersh reported. John Warner has made it very clear that the Intelligence Committee is going to persue this. In watching their faces lately, most of them have a "drawn" look that I hadn't seen before.

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whistle

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Tue May-18-04 04:57 PM
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3. Sorry, the words HAS NOT were in brackets and failed to...

...print in the message. I removed the brackets on edit.:dunce:

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Mountainman

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Tue May-18-04 04:58 PM
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4. The Pentagon issued the orders

Edited on Tue May-18-04 04:59 PM by Mountainman

This cabal in Washington doesn't give a damn about anything but their designs on the world. They are the ones who say they don't have to abide by all the rules and laws that have been made in the past to prevent their kind of shit.

They invaded a country that was no threat to us using false pretenses! They are no better than Saddam. They want no resistance to their authority. They ordered this!

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Lin

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Tue May-18-04 04:59 PM
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5. Big wigs slide while "little guy" pays, do you

Notice a trend in this (* mis-led) country? If <wish-hope-cross fingers> the boy king loses some average joe support it'll be the only good thing to emerge from this nightmare... & small comfort at that.

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Mountainman

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Tue May-18-04 05:02 PM
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6. Another good thing to emerge will be that Americans learn a lesson

about what it means to have a democracy run by an informed public.

The reason this administration has made it this far is because the people look the other way and believe the bull shit they are told on Fox et. al.

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blm

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Tue May-18-04 05:14 PM
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7. I was just making this point over at another forum.

Edited on Tue May-18-04 05:31 PM by blm

If BushInc wants to contend that they did not authorize the abuse then it seems the public could easily be made to realize the incredible danger of a government that incompetently lost control of its military.

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9215

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Tue May-18-04 07:32 PM
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8. Morale is due to suffer a huge hit from all of this. nt

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tibbiit

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Tue May-18-04 07:49 PM
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9. I was thinking about the mess

Who cleans the prisons? Did the torturers clean up after their bloody messes? Would that be contractors? What would they know?

What company contracts to clean in Iraq?
tib

(maybe some of them will be a deep throat:)

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