Repug Propoganda that's making the internet rounds

Lucky me. I've gotten two copies of this today plus I've seen it on another message board (which has nothing to do with politics, btw).
Read and puke at your leisure.


The 2004 election cycle is here. In the next few months all Americans will decide on who should be elected at the local, state, and national levels to lead our cities, counties, states, and our federal government.

This year’s election might be the most important one in the 21st century since it will set the tone for how our country will respond in the future to the actions that occurred in America on September 11, 2001. In addition to the War on Terror, the War on Moral Values in America continues to rage. How we vote as a nation for leaders in political offices at all levels in this election season will determine what type of country we will be for the remainder of this century and beyond.

The American electorate must be informed on issues that will help them determine which candidates they will vote for at all levels of government. There are many voters who vote for candidates on almost trivial issues. Some vote for the way a person looks. Some vote for candidates who are blamed or given credit for things for which these candidates really do not have any direct control in a free market capitalist economy which has made our country the greatest in the world. Some vote for candidates based on half truths or no truth expressed on thirty second television ads or from listening to reporters or commentators who are only sharing their biased and censored views on various issues. Some vote for candidates based on what someone else tells them about the candidate without checking to see if the candidate represents the personal values and beliefs of the voter. Some vote for candidates based on traditional voting patterns by groups of people without thinking how the candidate lines up with that person’s personal value system.

So, the purpose of this article is to suggest two broad areas of concern that have an effect on all Americans regardless of their political affiliation or their level of being informed or uninformed on various issues facing our country. These two issues are the War on Terror and the War on Moral Values. The hope of the writer is that voters will use these two issues as the primary and perhaps the only basis of determining for whom they will vote at all levels of government during the 2004 election season. The views on these two issues are the personal views of the writer.

WAR ON TERROR: The War on Terror is a war based on religious values and beliefs. It is a war based on the beliefs and values of Islam and radical Islamic jihadists versus the values and beliefs of Judaism and Christianity. There is no need to sugar coat the War on Terror as being a war of differences of political ideologies. It is a war of religions. Islam appears to be a worldwide totalitarian movement masquerading as a religion. Its goal is to eliminate Western civilization and destroy Israel and the United States pure and simple. Its purpose is to kill Jews and Christians. The Koran teaches that one must convert to Islam or die. Hussein Massawn, the former head of Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, was quoted as saying: “We are not fighting so you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you.” This philosophy applies to Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Palestine Liberation Organization, Al Qaeda and all other Islamic terrorist organizations. The “convert or die” philosophy of Islam is based on sending their “sons” to die for Allah as evidenced by homicide bombers in Israel and Iraq. Christianity teaches that God sent his Son to die for us and is based on the truth of “believe and live forever.” Israel is the spiritual ancestor of all Christians and a friend of America. America must support Israel in all ways because of this spiritual ancestor relationship. Israel and America are religion partners because of our common Judeo/Christian values and culture. Islam claims to be “purifying” Islam by destroying the “infidels” or Great Satan. This means destroy the Jewish state of Israel and destroy the United States which is largely Christian.

How should political leaders at all levels view the War on Terror? Senator Zell Miller of Georgia was recently quoted as saying: “Our country is dividing itself into two camps, the wimps and the warriors. The wimps want to argue, assess, and appease and the warriors want to carry the fight to our enemies and kill them before they kill us. In case you have not figured it out, I proudly belong to the latter.” Thank you, Senator Miller. I hope voters agree with Senator Miller’s assessment of the War on Terror. Appeasement of terrorists will never work. Look at what is happening in Europe. Many of their wimpy leaders are taking the idea of appeasement to new lows. The terror alert in these countries is: RUN, HIDE, SURRENDER, and COLLABORATE. These cowardly responses play right into the hands of terrorists. If the wimpy attitude of political leaders had prevailed in America during World War II, Europe would be speaking German and the United States would have been attacked by the enemy long before the fatal day of September 11, 2001. Thank God for the “greatest generation”, the warriors of America during World War II and the resolve of the American people and its leaders to stay the course and protect our country.

Another organization that has made its way into American sovereignty as a nation is the United Nations. The UN has become an increasingly useless debating society made up of many countries that hate Israel and the United States. There seems to be no criteria for membership in the UN. There are terrorist nations who have voting and power positions in the UN on an equal basis of the United States. There should be no capitulation by America to the UN on the War on Terror and America’s and Israel’s ability to defend themselves from the radical Islamic jihadists and any other enemies who want to destroy Western Civilization and Jews and Christians.

So ask those candidates at local, state, and national levels how they view the War on Terror; how they view America’s right to defend itself and preemptively attack its enemies; and how they view the role of the United Nations in America’s right to be a sovereign nation. Find out how the political parties the candidates represent stand on the War on Terror before you go into the voting booth and vote.
WAR ON MORAL VALUES: The War on Moral Values is raging for the heart and soul of America as a nation and as a society. The overall concern has to do with whether there are absolutes such as right and wrong or is everything relative to the person and the situation. This boils down to a war between secular humanism and the Judeo/Christian values on which our country and its Constitution were based. Secular humanism embraces an attitude of “there is no truth and I can do anything I want to.” The concepts of absolute truths governing relationships in society are based on the Founding Fathers’ belief that “All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” President George Washington said: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” John Adams said: “Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”

So what has happened in America that threatens the very moral fabric of our society? Let’s examine two issues that today challenge those who believe in absolutes and those who believe in relativism that apply to human behavior. These two issues should be paramount in one’s decision to vote for those candidates running for local, state, and national leadership positions and power over all Americans. Historian Arnold Toynbee once noted that “Of the 22 civilizations that have appeared in history, 19 of them collapsed when they reached the moral state America is in now.”

The first issue is abortion. Since 1973, when the US Supreme Court (non-elected judges) found in the Constitution that one had a “right” to kill babies before they are born, over 40 million babies have not been allowed to be born. For those readers who think it is a right to choose to kill unborn babies, aren’t you glad your mother was pro-life? Our nation was founded on the principles of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” How can God continue to bless our nation when we are killing his children before they are born that he has allowed to be conceived? Even animals do not kill their babies before they are born. The rationalizing of the person that believes in killing babies before they are born is that of the secular humanist and that the baby is only a “product of conception” or a “mass of cells” or only a “fetus”, not a baby. One has to wonder if God has created a baby that would have grown up to be the one who developed a cure for AIDS or cancer but he or she was not allowed to be born because he or she was brutally dismembered in the womb of the mother in the name of “choice”. Ask those candidates running for local, state, and national offices what their position is on abortion, the killing of innocent babies before they are born. Find out what the candidates political party’s position is on abortion also.

The second moral issue that threatens the fabric of our society’s existence is the definition of marriage. Marriage has been defined by God as the union between one man and one woman. Marriage is the foundation of not only procreation of the human race but the very existence of societal relationships.

So how are the decisions for killing babies before they are born and the redefining of the institution of marriage being promoted in America? One answer is through the activism of non-elected judges who have made laws from their benches which is totally against their purpose for existence. Remember in every situation, somebody’s values prevail. Judicial activism has become rampart in recent years as life appointed non-elected judges have made decisions that have radical impacts on society and peoples’ lives that no legislature would think of supporting because the people they represent would not stand for it. If Congress does not stand up to this judicial tyranny by exercising their right of impeachment of judges, Congress will become irrelevant as a body and we will become a nation ruled by the “robed masters” of the bench. Judges are finding things in the Constitution that are not there. Judge Anthony Scalia of the US Supreme Court correctly commented on the activism of judges when he said: “Day by day, case by case, the Supreme Court is designing a Constitution for a country I do not recognize.” Judges are to interpret laws, not invent new laws which do not honor the US Constitution’s original intent.

The bias toward any relationship between religion and government has been the most recent area of judicial activism especially regarding the Ten Commandments. James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the United States, said: “We have staked the whole future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.” Unfortunately, the blessing of the Ten Commandments upon our legal and moral society has suddenly become unlawful or has become the Ten Offenses. We have become the United States of the Offended, separated by every imaginable means of behavior and human conduct.

SUMMARY: Voters in this year’s election at the local, state, and national levels should vote their value system based on the candidates and their political party’s views on the War on Terror and the War on Moral Values as outlined in this article. There should not be a “disconnect” between the voter who professes a strong faith in God, goes to church, and lives a moral life but checks these values at the voting booth and votes for candidates and political parties that stand for just the opposite of what the person believes. Note that the writer has not used any names of candidates or terms such as liberal or conservative or names of political parties such as Democrat or Republican in this analysis. It is the hope that the reader can fill in the blanks and make their decisions for themselves. God Bless America and may it survive the War on Terror and the War on the Moral Values of our country.

won't sell to the Rush spoon-fed group. Uh, what was the point in posting this whole thing?

Dem board.

Thank you. I stopped reading after two or three
paragraphs.

:puke:

It doesn't have enough fanatic rhetoric for the morans and not any intellectual weight for the pseudo-intellectual cons. I got bored at the third sentence.

They think the 'Rush Crowd' can read all of that.

will not only not read it because it's too long, they won't understand it if they do read it.

who've annoyed me today!

They need one minute sound bites like "Kerry is a flip flopping, metal throwing, Northeastern, elitist liberal, who will make it easier for the terrorists to attack us again and will raise your taxes."

I forgot to add:

and George Bush is a man of God!

Yes, all those millions of babies could've been born to march off to war and die. Where's their morals when it comes to war, and Iraqi babies getting blown apart. Not to mention our own children over there. Gay marriage, yawn. These morons and their marriage crap. Most of them probably cheat on their wives anyway, divorce them to marry younger bimbos, and upset their children. Probably all fat beady eyed creeps whose wives cringe to have to deal with their viagra problems. Let's burn them at the stake. I'm sick of their morals.

As a former history teacher I know that Madison never said such a thing....

Hold on a minute and I'll go look it up

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Didn't take too long

Much more at the link:
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/misq1.htm

The only problem with the above is, no such quote has ever been found among any of James Madison's writings. None of the biographers of Madison, past or present have ever run across such a quote, and most if not all would love to know where this false quote originated. Apparently, David Barton did not check the work of the secondary sources he quotes.

Robert Alley, an distinguished historian at the University of Richmond, made an attempt to track down the origin of this quote. The following is his report on his effort as published in "Public Education and the Public Good," William and Mary Bill of Rights Journal,, Summer 1995, pp. 316-318:

C. The Ten Commandments Hoax

In July, 1994, the organization Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) pointed out that Rush Limbaugh had incorrectly attributed to James Madison a quotation concerning the centrality of the Ten Commandments to "American civilization."(245) Quickly rising to Limbaugh's defense were several California residents who wrote letters to the Los Angeles Times. One writer prefaced the alleged quotation with the following: "Here (as quoted in The Myth of Separation by David Barton) is precisely what Madison said."(246) The bogus quote followed: "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far From it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."(247) What the writer, Rick Crowell, did not tell us was that Barton cited as his only sources for those words two twentieth century writers, Harold K. Lane in Liberty! Cry Liberty!, (248)and Frederick Nyneyer in First Principles in Morality and Economics: Neighborly Love and Ricardo's Law of Association.(249)

Responding to the public hubbub, editors of The Papers of James Madison, John Stagg and David Mattern, referred all inquirers to a letter dated November 23, 1993, in which Mr. Mattern wrote concerning the alleged quotation: "We did not find anything in our files remotely like the sentiment expressed in the extract you sent us. In addition, the idea is inconsistent with everything we know about Madison's views on religion and government, views which he expressed time and time again in public and in private."(250) This expert response has not dampened the ardor of those who privately would have Madison affirm their own distorted version of American history. Crowell accused Mr. Mattem of "revisionism at its worst."(251) I offer here a reconstruction of the convoluted trek of the words in question.

That doesn't sound like something Adams would have said. I tried to source it, but all I've been able to find are sites that source it to "Internet: various" or something like that. Anyone have an actual source for that Adams quote, or is it as fake as the one from Madison?

but the right twists it all around. I think he meant that ethics can't be put in the Constitution, it is up to moral and religious people to behave themselves. One doesn't have to be religious to be moral. ( To me morality goes way beyond things sexual. Morality is being honest, not cheating or stealing..stuff like that )

Source?

You are right.

There is not one reputable site or biographical site that has this quote.

But here are some other good ones that the Reps never use.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/adams.htm

The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815

We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions ... shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power ... we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.
-- John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785, quoted from Albert Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom (1991)

As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?
-- John Adams, letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world.
-- John Adams, "this awful blashpemy" that he refers to is the myth of the Incarnation of Christ, from Ira D. Cardiff, What Great Men Think of Religion, quoted from James A. Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

See, that's why I was looking for a source. I have seen a lot of verified, properly sourced quotes from Adams (and read the letters/books/whatever that he wrote to see it for myself) similar to the ones you posted, and they don't seem to match up AT ALL with what he supposedly said in the article. That's not dispositive proof that he didn't say it, but it certainly calls it into question. That's why I was looking for a source that shows when, where, and in what publication Adams said it. Until I get some verification, I'm going to write it off as just another made up quote.

between church and state.

There are a few links that point out his false quotes, etc. One link that does that is from the So Bapt convention.

In the last 3-4 years, Barton has been in Tulsa several times showing his videos and giving workshops for churches.

It is eerie the similarity in tone and content to Nazi propaganda. Attached is a link an archive of Nazi Propaganda materials, including material with such titles as "Political Propaganda as a Moral Duty": A 1936 article on the importance of propaganda and "The Nature of Contemporary Propaganda": Another 1934 essay on propaganda.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/

Hey, if the boot fits on the goose-stepping foot . . .

*shiver*

There is a lot more to morals than gay marriage, and forcing women to to take a chance on illegal abortions. Killing children and adults for oil is immoral. Lying about reasons for going to war is immoral. Ruining the planet's, air, water and soil from invasive methods of mining resources is immoral. Paying workers wages so low that they can't feed their children properly is immoral. Letting the sick and elderly die for lack of health care and drugs is immoral. It isn't just about sex.

I wrote my post above, and then read yours. Yup, to the right, morals means sex, sex, sex.

No one's going to read that. People want emails to be short, punchy and to the point. This is snooze-inducing.

too many words longer then four letters.