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orangecoloredapple Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:49 PM
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We are falling into the GOP trap with Arnold - yet again
Why are we giving so much attention to Arnold? His "pawing" women, his limited acting abilities, how his wife looks like an exoskeleton?
The GOP has again defined the debate, and we are taking the bait. Take a look at any progressive website, and there will be a half dozen links to an Arnold story. Instead of focusing on the negatives involved, again, we should be putting forth a positive image with information regarding democratic candidates.

It's a lock that Davis won't be re-elected. The obstacle course was designed to trip him up at the start.

Why are we not promoting the top two or three people running for the spot on the Democratic side?
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:52 PM
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1. Who are we?
The media is the one promoting Arnold. People here are trying to figure out a way to defeat him.

We don't control the media, the right does.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:37 PM
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15. Broadcast media = GOP
They are drooling over it.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:52 PM
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2. only one choice on Democratic side...
that's Bustamante. I know time is short, but let's for a second relax and realize that things are extremely chaotic at the moment. We still have two months to go. Of course Bustamante will campaign. Let's get our stuff together and start campaigning.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:01 PM
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6. I'm glad Cruz is running.
I've starting to notice that even here in LA where most of the press is basically bending over for Arnold, there are a LOT of hard hitting questions. Of course Arnold just smiles and gives his stock responce about being a "Gub-A-Nor for the piple ov Cali-fornie-a".

I don't give a shit about his personal past. He is NOT qualified to run the state, period.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:05 PM
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7. Thank you sir!
We should ask Arnold how will he cut taxes and keep the state running at this time. The states Tax Base has been destroyed by the DOT COM Bubble!!! There are no other choices but to cut spending and raise taxes to match the cuts in spending. You can't Cut Taxes and increase spending unless Arnie and co are going to raid the State Pension fund!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:13 PM
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10. That the question being asked.
The press is starting to hound his muscle bond ass in that one. He has no website, no postion papers .... nothing. He's riding this free press from the media whores.

The LA Times today talked about how Arnold has only 58 days to try and come up with answers. He should debate. I'd like to see him try and stand up to REAL questions.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:33 PM
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12. Even Bill Simon has a web site
http://billsimon.org

You'd think Arnold would have hired someone to make one for him already...


Fuck Bush Buttons — The Cronus Connection
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:34 PM
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13. My EYES!
Did you see *'s pic with Simon?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:40 PM
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18. See it? I MADE it!
:)


Fuck Bush Buttons — The Cronus Connection
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:22 PM
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21. His "site."
That parody site was amusing last year. He has some committee he's formed with a site, but no campaign site.

I suspect he's trying to get Arnie to support a right-wing fiscal platform in exchange for dropping out. McClintock would be most likely--I suspect--to continue to the end.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:42 PM
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19. he's going to request federal help. which of course he will
receive "big time", so you see he won't have to raise taxes or cut spending. arnuld will be a gift from the gods.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:43 PM
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20. somebody buy arnoldforgovernor.com!
It's available. Make the bastard pay.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:06 PM
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8. bustamante is the one
And I don't think the lock is quite in. Remember if he gets 46% and Arnold gets 23 % arnold will be governor. WE MUST RECALL HIm it will only take 12% of the signatures of the electorate in a special election. I predict that there will be enough angry Democrats around to do that petition in time for the March Primary
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:53 PM
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3. Good point. Why not approach the calif voter with RESPECT.......
and calmly and collectively (and unceasingly) point out the benefits of our candidate .....and the innanity of voting for Arnold.

Wouldn't it be GREAT if Arnold went down in flames with only 5% of the vote? TAKE THAT KARL!
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:56 PM
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4. The Republicans look at the negatives and win
The reason Gore didn't win bigger is that he didn't call Bush on his military record and other factors that would have made a difference to most voters.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:56 PM
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5. What fun is that?
I mean it's so much more fun to slam into Ahnold. Like many people I only have a limited amount of time each day to spend on politics, and I want that time to be as enjoyable as possible. What sounds like more fun to you;

1.) Picking a liberal candidate and arguing with other progressives about whether he's "electable" or "progressive" or "better" than other candidates.

2.) Making fun of an easy target like Arnold.

I think you know the answer.

In seriousness though--this is a good post--one of the things President Bush had going for him was the way we constantly lowered the bar for him by focusing on his lack of intelligence.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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InMarin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:08 PM
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9. Davis needs to resign. It's the right thing to do.
Davis' political career is over already. He needs to resign for the good of the Party. No Davis, no recall election, no Arnold.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:14 PM
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11. Won't happen
The recall will still go on even if Davis resigned. It would however take a lot of the wind out of the sails.

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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:39 PM
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16. I think I agree
But the media has Arnold in and will work harder at it to make sure he wins.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:28 PM
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22. NO BUSH NEEDS TO RESIGN
That is such wimpy ass talk. I hope you arent really a Democrat.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:37 PM
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14. Everybody should get behind Georgy
http://www.georgyforgov.com/

Makes as much sense as voting for anybody else.....

Except voting for Bustamante.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:40 PM
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17. JUST SAY NO!!!!!!!
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