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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:16 PM
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Faith-based child molestation
Edited on Wed May-19-04 02:20 PM by barbaraann
Here is a link to a website listing news reports of child molestations by ministers. It doesn't list reports of abuse by Catholic Priests, but there is probably a another website for that.

http://www.reformation.com/

Remember, George W. Bush wants to funnel funds for social programs through faith-based groups, and according to a program I saw on television, this is primarily Protestant and probably fundamentalist churches.

There's a story today about how Texas may yank the tax-exempt status of the Unitarian Universalist church. Funny, there is only ONE report of a UU molestation, but many, many reports of Bible Church molestations.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE OPPOSED TO GAY MARRIAGE, THE PEOPLE WHO REFUSE TO BE OUTRAGED BY US PRISON ABUSE IN IRAQ, THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE REPUBLICAN.

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:17 PM
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1. You forgot one - Abortion
"Save those precious little boys and girls - for me."


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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:19 PM
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2. Ya got me there!
But perhaps that's more of a Catholic thing?
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:21 PM
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3. love that bumper sticker--the rigid digit has gotten too much use
with the fraudulent squatters currently in the white house
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:23 PM
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4. The church is made up of sinners, just like the rest of the population,
and there will never be a "perfect" church, at least not while it's on earth. What happened in these abuse cases is simply inexcusable and horrible. However, in every one of the instances mentioned, the pastors were disciplined and removed for their crimes. I'm not so sure the Catholic church has quite the same record in dealing with the problems, but at least they have tried to make amends recently.

The bottom line is you can't throw the baby away with the bath water; churches do a huge amount of good in our communities, and I even support government-subsidized faith initiatives for programs like alcohol/drug recovery, food pantries, etc. as long as those programs are monitored to be sure they are on the up-and-up. They already are in place doing good and helping them out only benefits society as a whole.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:28 PM
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5. They're exempt from being on the 'up and up'
They don't have to provide services to whomever they choose if they tie it into their church dogma. Gays I would think are the primary target for denial of assistance but I'm sure there are more.
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:33 PM
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6. I'm not sure what you're saying here. Food pantries don't check
to see if a person is a Christian, gay, etc. before they offer help; same goes for drug and alcohol abuse programs, etc.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:39 PM
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7. Maybe most don't
but the fact remains they're allowed to discriminate based on their dogma. That should not be the case if they're to receive federal funds. Period. Until that's chaned, I can in no way, shape, or form support federal funding for 'faith based' anything.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:48 PM
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8. who's talking about throwing churches out?
We're just talking about holding clergy to the same standards as everyone else, instead of giving them special rights.
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:59 PM
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9. I was simply responding to some of the earlier posts, such as
the derogatory comment "faith-based child molestation" and I was simply defending the church as a whole, which does far more good than harm.

As for holding clergy to the same standards as everyone else, I agree; in fact, clergy should be held to HIGHER standards than everyone else. That's why I am glad to see from this web site link that these pastors are being disciplined and removed from leadership roles.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 03:08 PM
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11. You know, I don't think the fundamentalist churches do more good
than harm. I think they are downright dangerous.
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 03:13 PM
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12. I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "fundamentalist" -- my posts
had to do with Protestant churches, which is what this site is about--cleaning up protestant sex offenders. Most Protestants are evangelical, which means a core tenet of faith revolves around spreading the Gospel... is that what you mean by fundamentalist?

It seems to be used as a derogatory term around here and I guess I'm not sure EXACTLY why, unless it's referring to some churches that spend more of their time telling people they're going to hell than trying to HELP them stay OUT of it. Or those jerks who protest gays by saying "God hates homosexuals" and the like--that kind behavior makes me sick to my stomach. So if that's the definition of "fundamentalist," I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 03:01 PM
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10. Nobody! The "poor persecuted Christians" may think so...,
But this site seems to be set up by Protestants who want to clean up their own house(s). Naming the site "Reformation.com" is a clue, isn't it?

Good for them.

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 03:16 PM
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13. If the Universalism church is in trouble it is not fotrthat reason.
It is looked at as anti-slavery in the South and not a fundamentalist church at all.They are to the left of the United Church of Christ.Which I was told was a 'niger' church when I lived in the South. I always recalled that answer as so many of those little white churches in NE are United Church of Christ (Congregationalist)and I went to one for years. I did not know they were just not all over the South also. This is what I said would always happen. It will end being what Christian Church you go to and not just if you are a Christian. Mark my words.This is what happens in church run states.
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