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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:55 AM
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Brutal interrogation in Iraq / Proof of murder/ MUST READ

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E11676%7E2157003,00.html

Pentagon records provide the clearest view yet of the U.S. tactics used at Anu Ghraib and elsewhere to coax secrets from Iraqis.

The deaths include the killing in November of a high-level Iraqi general who was shoved into a sleeping bag and suffocated, according to the Pentagon report. The documents contradict an earlier Defense Department statement that said the general died "of natural causes" during an interrogation. Pentagon officials declined to comment on the new disclosure.

Another Iraqi military officer, records show, was asphyxiated after being gagged, his hands tied to the top of his cell door. Another detainee died "while undergoing stress technique interrogation," involving smothering and "chest compressions," according to the documents.

Beyond the interrogation deaths, the military documents show that investigators are examining other abuse cases involving soldiers using choking techniques during interrogations, including the handling of prisoners at a detention facility in Samarra, Iraq, where soldiers allegedly "forced into asphyxiation numerous detainees."

Also under investigation are reports that soldiers in Iraq abused women and children. One April 2003 case, which is awaiting trial, involves a reservist who pointed a loaded pistol at an Iraqi child in front of witnesses, saying he should kill the youngster to "send a message" to other Iraqis.


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Ekova Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 03:56 AM
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1. Died of natural causes during interrogation -
In Donald Woods' book "Biko", he lists about 100 names of people that died in detention and interrogation under the apartheid regime. "Threw self out of window", "threw self down flight of stairs", "self strangulation" and last but not least, "natural causes". (Sanlam Prison, where Stephen Biko was beaten to death in interrogation had a strict policy of chaining prisoners to chairs and to walls during questioning. Clearly it was the super prisoners that could throw themselves down flights of stairs while chained...).

The Defense Dept. is using language that should make the world extremely uncomfortable.

Other thought/question: Isn't Colorado a Republican leaning state?
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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:07 PM
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2. indeed Ekova, too important not to kick
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:26 PM
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3. I shudder to think what will happen when these people come back
to the U.S.

Obviously there are hundreds if not thousands of carbon based life forms who did not torture people before this invasion. Now, what limits do they have? Their humanity is gone.

Have we hatched another thousand timothy mcveighs?

We are sowing some really bad shit here. The blowback is gonna be godawful.
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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:56 PM
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4. Interesting take Jacobin

We could be producing American terrorists ala Timothy Mcveigh.
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