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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:27 PM
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Granny D! | Granny D! | Granny D! (a must read)
trying this again with a more appropriate subj line. (mods if you must lock one, please lock the one with the 'attempt at humor' subj. thanks!)

My life has been long and grand, and I am about done with it, but I am determined to not say goodbye to all of this until I can go to my rest in the soil of a good democracy.

<snip>

In that regard, let me urge those who think Mr. Nader is a better candidate than Mr. Kerry not let their high opinions of their own political correctness cause the deaths of thousands of people in the world over the next four years and the loss of our civil liberties, which would be the real result of such selfish narcissism. According to Bruce Ackerman's wonderful editorial in the New York Times last week, Mr. Nader can avoid risking this outcome if he will name the same Electoral College electors as Mr. Kerry. Votes will register for Mr. Nader, but they will apply to Mr. Kerry if Mr. Nader has insufficient votes to win. It is a way Mr. Nader can, in this way, create a sort of Instant Runoff Voting system by a clever use of the system.

If he will not do this, I cannot vote for him, in good conscience. For I do not want to face the survivor of some family whose members were tortured and killed by our forces a few years from now and say, yes, I could have stopped it, but I was too selfish: I wanted the satisfaction of voting for the better candidate, and that satisfaction was more important to me than the lives of your children and your spouse. I cannot do that and call myself a progressive or even an American. I cannot become the kind of ideologue who lets other people die for my precious beliefs.

Yes, we have to be practical if we are to improve the real world. We All have work to do to get to November and to move into the years ahead. Let us make it joyful and selfless work.

Expect a landslide but do not stop a second in assuring it

http://truthout.org/docs_04/051604B.shtml
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:32 PM
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1. Yes, let's have Kery step foward and run on a platform
massive election reform. That'd get my vote in a heartbeat.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:49 PM
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7. Anyone But Bush?
Why do you have an ABB symbol on your posts yet refuse to vote for the only Candidate who can get rid of Bush? Shouldn't it be "Anyone But Bush or Kerry" ? or "Anyone But Bush Or A Democrat" ?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:50 PM
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8. I am checking off Kerry's name, but it is a vote against Bu$h, not
Edited on Thu May-20-04 02:51 PM by GreenPartyVoter
for Kerry. Such is our stupid election system.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:21 PM
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42. Same here...I'm voting against Bush, not for Kerry.
And I'd venture to say that most other Kerry voters are doing the same.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:32 PM
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2. Maybe if I say something about the Israeli lobby
Then this won't drop too fast. You think?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:38 PM
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4. nah
it would be locked and transferred to I/P

;-)
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:38 PM
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3. Very well said, nostamj.
For my part in this effort, today I went to the Rockwall Voter Office and got myself registered as a deputy voter registrar. MAN that felt good!

I'm going to try to get to the Dallas office next. It's a little further away and not as convenient to get to. I wish I'd done this months ago. After VolcanoJen's story the other day, I couldn't hold out another minute.

:-)

Let's all go kick some serious voter registry butt!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:46 PM
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5. Why didn't I think of that?
Damn... I have so much going on in my personal life that these things are slipping by me.

Thanks for posting this! Now I need to go try to find VolcanoJen's story... :)
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:40 PM
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6. Here ya go...
Edited on Thu May-20-04 02:41 PM by fudge stripe cookays
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1623189

You're welcome! Here in the Metroplex we're so lucky to have multiple counties --it just gives us more work to do! :bounce:

We really should have a Metroplex meetup! the thread I posted about it a couple weeks ago died a sad lonely death.

FSC
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 04:51 PM
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11. Oh bless you!!!!
Thanks so much!

I love the idea of a Metroplex meetup! :)

Then again... are any of us in the Kerry meetups I wonder? I've been planning to join -- maybe we can meet up there!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:04 AM
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25. I've been meaning to get to a Kerry meetup...
but it just hasn't been the same for me since Howie dropped out. I was leading ours out here in Rockwall.

I'll check into a Kerry one and let you know! ;-)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 04:15 PM
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9. thanks but...
those are ALL Granny D's words... not mine!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:05 AM
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26. Yes, but you POSTED it!
I woulda missed it otherwise.

Well said, Granny D; Well posted, nostamj.

Or something like that!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 04:29 PM
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10. kick
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Sophrosyne Now Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:15 PM
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12. one good kick
deserves another
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 05:34 PM
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13. welcome to DU!
a good choice of kick for your first post! Granny D rocks!

:hi:
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Sophrosyne Now Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:34 PM
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20. thank you for the welcome, nostamj
i am not a real newbie, been lurking seems like forever. love your toon threads, they get me through some tough days. thank you for all the hard work.

i love granny D too. i read your thread yesterday and decided i better find out what my forgotten password was and post something.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:05 AM
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21. you're not the only 'lurker' coming out
in these trying times...

good for you! Granny D is a worthy reason to step up and post

thank you!
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:08 PM
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14. we granny types kick ass!
this was a great read - thanks for posting

:kick:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 06:51 PM
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15. most welcome
and get back up there!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:27 PM
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16. A friendly kick up. Granny D is my inspiration! Nostamj you rock!
n/t
And yes, I have to agree, with all the newbies, GD, sucks (for the most part).

What really is important here? It begs the question.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:44 PM
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18. dunno if it 'sucks'
but, very frustrating.

I'm ready to move TOONs back to the Meeting Room...

getting half the kicks they used to get only two weeks ago...

too much work to be nothing but archive sludge... <sigh>
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:19 AM
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22. I did not mean to offend with GD S@#%'s
It is frustrating though to see meaningful threads drop out of sight. ahhh, for the good old days, heh...0ldtimer? And by the way, Granny D is my be all, end all. If she can do it, how can we not?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:39 AM
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27. "0ldtimer".... grumble grumble grumble

"why when I first came to DU, EVERYBODY was on dial-up and you had to slap the monitor to get the gifs to animate.... grumble grumble grumble....."
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:44 PM
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17. Kick for Granny D
:kick:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:34 PM
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19. last one for me...
god bless and welcome Granny D!

(he knows most of GD couldn't have cared less)
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:40 AM
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23. Go granny Go
Go Granny D!

She is a real hero!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:02 AM
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24. Go Granny, Go Granny
Go Granny GO!!!!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:39 AM
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28. get back up there granny!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:09 AM
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29. I'm with you, nostamj.
A message to be printed out and distributed by the THOUSANDS!

I just don't have the words for how this woman moves me.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:22 AM
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30. Off of page 3, and back to the top!
n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:31 AM
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31. Something DU-ers could organize... Weekly distribution of stories/flyers.
I had an idea some time ago about DU-ers distributing 25 plus flyers a week in malls, Doctors offices, etc...

Here is what GD says.

You all get so many emails and read so many good columns and articles that are sent to you--Krugman, Dowd, Cronkite, Ivins, Hightower, Palast, Friedman and the few other heroes left in our otherwise silent news media. You read them and send them to other members of our little choir.

That is not enough; You must print them out and give them to your neighbors and family members. You must run them off by the hundreds and give them out at bus and train stations until they ask you to leave. Then you must come back with more. The masses of our neighbors are not getting the truth and we cannot expect them to vote wisely unless we wise them up ourselves. No one can do this for us. No presidential campaign can do more than spread around a few slogans and accusations. The news media will not do it for us, as they are no longer in the truth business. There is only you and me. We need to do a massive voter education project, starting right now. I will have many of these little fliers on my website soon for you to print off, or you can make your own from all the material that comes your way.

Remember that many of us lefties are authority-averse and we like to make our own political decisions. Many others, however-including many of our neighbors and friends-are authority-dependent and, before changing their opinions, need to hear the truth coming from the pens and mouths of people they trust. So when Walter Cronkite writes a good piece, put his picture on it and take it around to everyone who remembers him from his days as the most trusted television newsman in America.


Who's in? :hi:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:44 AM
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34. i'll be preparing an 'info' kit
to distribute at our performances.

all the KEY urls and other info as a program insert.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:04 PM
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61. Most cool Nostamj!
:)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:35 AM
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32. Thanks ever so much for posting, this is one for the bookmarks.
:hi:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:42 AM
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33. oh, you're welcome
sad that it took TWO postings to even get to 30 replies though...

and kudos to WillPitt and truthout for posting it so I could FIND it!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:47 AM
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35. Please help to keep this on the front page! EVERYONE!!
Thanks, nostamj!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:53 AM
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36. This should be on the DU front page!
;)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:57 AM
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37. Ya THIMK?
;-)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:00 PM
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38. I Thimk!
:hi:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:15 PM
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39. i'm getting a cramp
from all this kicking

:grr:
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:17 PM
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41. All for a good Cause!!
You started it, stick with it! No one better to stick with than Granny D!!

She is a real hero and an inspiration for us all!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:15 PM
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40. I second the opinion many times over.
This should be on the front page of DU. Paging Skinner.........
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:27 PM
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43. Kick n/t
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:43 PM
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44. Kicking up again, just for fun!
n/t
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:00 PM
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45. And another kick, I have a few spare moments before it's time to go!
Halliburton, Dallas,

Don't you know?

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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:15 PM
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46. granny's home page and some PICS!!
www.grannyd.com



http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0375505393.01._PE_PIdp-schmooS,TopRight,7,-26_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg


Granny D (right) helps a volunteer register voters.




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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:31 PM
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47. more pics!






not that it will make a difference today... <sigh>
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 02:26 PM
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48. I think it may be the beginning of a new "Crusade". Can we have GrannyD
on the home page of DU?

What do you all think?
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 02:50 PM
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49. Back to the top in support.
n/t
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 03:55 PM
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50. if you treated your own granny like this
you'd go straight to hell.

this POSITIVE, MOTIVATIONAL message is going STRAIGHT to the top again!

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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 04:01 PM
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51. What did I do wrong? I'm going to hell, Why?
n/t
Help me out here, I am so sorry.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 04:09 PM
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52. Can we please call Skinner now?
n/t

We need his help! Heck we need all of DU's help! Can we please make this be a permanent placement. Can we all give GrannyD the respect she is due?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 04:20 PM
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53. my DEAR, i was NOT talking to YOU
and YOU know WHO I WAS talking TO,

don't YOU????
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 04:33 PM
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54. Will it really work for Kerry and Nader to have the same electors?
Will it really work for Kerry and Nader to have the same electors?

Has someone checked this out? I know that when I vote for president I am really voting for a slate of electors to the electoral college. But are state laws written so as to add up all votes for these electors coming from more than one candidate? I can see a court challenge that would end up in the same corrupt court as last time.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 04:38 PM
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55. if granny says so...
i trust her.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 04:48 PM
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56. Interesting idea, but can you do that?
I didn't think the candidate designated the electoral college voters. I thought they only designated the ones who went to the convention.

Sonething doesn't sound right here.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 05:20 PM
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57. nader didn't laugh it off
why should we?

trust your granny!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:07 PM
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58. i also REFUSE to respond to this thread...
no sex, no violence...

feh. let it drop unnoticed!

we don't need no stinking inspiration!!!!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:40 PM
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59. Copy this essay and make multiple copies to share everywhere!
n/t
It's up to us!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:53 PM
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60. if i was responding to this thread
I would...

really I would.

but, 'brown substance-related-white house whores-activity-program's I'm just not responding...

and that's the truth, phhhffffttt....!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:34 PM
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62. Will everyone here please help us keep this treasure up all weekend please
n/t
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 12:12 AM
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63. Kick for the night shift
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 12:43 AM
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64. Last kick for my shift. It's been a long day!
n/t
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:19 AM
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65. and it's going to be another long one...
gonna send this to Guy James...

maybe I'll read a quote on today's show if he doesn't....
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