the bush administration makes me sick and ashamed. Over and over and over

again.

I am SO tired of saying "I told you so.."; I am so tired of the atrocities, day after day, and worse, I'm tired of the freaks who are defending bush, and the people HERE who attempt to denigrate John Kerry.

I do honestly hope we will have our dignity, honor, peace and prosperity restored. I have so much faith in John Kerry... but the misery index under bush is just awful.

These lies about the wedding catastrophe are just simply horrible and more than ANYTHING else, ram the glaring spotlight on the fact we simply cannot trust ONE SINGLE word spewed by this rogue regime in OUR White House.

The prison atrocities are growing more and more gruesome daily, yet no one even cares that the bush regime covered this up.

When, for the right, is enough, enough?

how do you know which story is false in the 'wedding catastrophe' story?

are you serious?

Explain that to me.

defining bad guys as 'people planning or trying to kill American soldiers'...making them legitimate targets in a military situation...

By your position, I have to assume that our ancestors who resisted the english were "bad".

The Iraqis are the innocent victims here. Shame on you for not knowing that.

an analogy between the American revolution and the situation in Iraq is very weak at best...
the English did not invade North America in 1776 (arguably earlier maybe)..there is a difference between a revolt to throw out an existing gov't and action to prevent a new one from taking over...

and THE IRAQIS the INNOCENT, GOOD GUYS.

I don't see no wmds, I don't see no liberation.

I see slaughter, rape, looting, pillaging, torture and murder.

That is NOT how people with honor and good intention ACT. I place the blame on every single AMERICAN in that country at the behest of the bush regime and on every single american like YOU who supports such hitler-esque actions.

In fact, I blame people like you who aren't able to see the difference. SHAME ON YOU. You're no different than the germans who were downwind of auschwitz and claimed to not know what was going on, while human ash rained on thier roofs.

try to get over the hysteria...

I keep saying to my self what would I do in little old Maine if the Chinese took over and was going to force their govt. businesses over this state? I would of course be the bad guy if I did not go along with the rulers. Right? Does any one think I would like it?

regime?

Tell me, what were those women and children doing in the desert? 80 miles from anywhere? At 4 in the morning? With musicians? Plotting a suicide mission?

11 dead women, a famous wedding singer and two muscians verified dead...evidence of a wedding everywhere.

The Army screwed this one up. It was a mistake, but the problem is, they don't care.

one of the horrible things that happen in a war...probably always been a lot more common than we know

on edit: especially when the cultures are very different ie: firing weapons in celebration at a wedding

and I believe that.

I am not one to always jump on every "conspiracy" or to automatically believe the worst about the US, but in this case I do.

One can't say it was "just a mistake". It shows a pattern here. They just didn't care if they verified their opinion that it was a foreign fighters refuge. The whole mindset of the Americans over there is that the Iraqis are the enemy. I blame Bush for that. He is the one who set the climate and twisted 9-11/terrorism/Iraq to be one cause.

it looks like a horrile bungle at best...
have a good weekend

It is more like a tribe thing and they seem to like a party. In fact my husband had the honor of going to one once. Western are usually not asked. Also women and children are sort of there but off to the side. Like at thanksgiving when the women and kids get into the kitchen and the men are in the TV room etc. I frankly believe the people of Iraq as I was around when Vietnam was going on and I never believed the other side then until way into the war. I lived in the middle of service cities and was deep into all that. So when I found out the lying I was very up tight and shocked. I did not wish to believe it. I think it was the hospital wards at the Navy base that finally made me really stop and think. I also figured we would never do it another time.

:puke:

... and current events, I know where my money is....

rofl - which is not to say that I can't see the contrary line of thought:

"Yah, I know they did awful things to the gitmo prisoners before releasing them, and bringing charges against none. I know they've killed 10000+ iraqi civilians, the very ones who were supposed to welcome us with flowers in fact. I know we closed Saddam's rape n torture prisons, and reopened them under US management, shoving brooms up people's asses, making people jack off in front of US chicks, and so on. But shoot up a wedding party???? C'mon! We'd never do that!!"

rofl

the Germans of good conscience must have felt under Hitler, but now I do.

We, the citizens of the United States, are willing participants in an armed invasion of a country that never threatened us or even one of our allies. We kill innocent women and children.

America.

They don't represent ME or MY wishes.

I didn't elect that shit head, NO ONE DID. He was appointed, just like HITLER.

Niether he nor his nefarious regime in any way, shape or form represent ANY American Values at all, whatsoever.

I am NOT a participant in this regime. And the more of us who SAY this, the further distance we create. Let those idiots take the heat on their own. I SURE as hell am not sharing it with them.

WE don't kill innocent women and children. THE BUSH REGIME DOES.

Say that REAL REAL loud. Draw the line, create the distance between yourselves and this nefarious, criminal regime.

Hitler was legitimately elected the first time..
doesn't really impact your statements, just thought you would like to know

don't fuck with me.

I said the first time...you really might want to take a dep breath

like the TRUTH, then don't try to insert bullshit lies, myths and bizarre right wing idiocies, like that iraqis are the bad guys here.

They didn't invade us. They're defending their country.

The bush regime and any of their supporters are wrong, the iraqis are right.

I say this humbly, with affection and sorrow for Americans of good conscience: you haven't done enough.

Until the streets are choking with protesters, it's insufficient and disingenuous to say Bush doesn't represent me, and this isn't America.

How was Milosevic brought down? The Serbs showed their disgust with him by daily filling the squares, banging their pots, staring down and finally winning over the arms of the state.

Why isn't this happening in America? Why?

Are Americans of conscience cocooning, awaiting the next anniversary of the war to mass on the mall and feel like they've done something? They ought to be on the streets, daily, proving to the world Bush does not represent them.

From the fifth pamphlet of the anti-Nazi underground, the White Rose:

"Germans! Do you and your children want to suffer the same fate that befell the Jews? Do you want to be judged by the same standards are your traducers? Are we to be forever a nation which is hated and rejected by all mankind? No. Dissociate yourselves from National Socialist gangsterism. Prove by your deeds that you think otherwise."
http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/leaffiveeng.html

and are now being tripped up.

They are "entitled" to an accurate account (as if such a thing were possible) of the atrocity committed in their names against Iraq.

Oh, 101 Eagles! Please SCREAM!!!!

Bill Bennet and his crew... imo played a big role in the dumbing down of Americans.

Whether you agree if he was elected or selected his as the president of the US is an issue. Point is - most the of the rest of the world see the leader of America as an American who was elected in a democracy that they are trying to spread around the world.

You think all those kids fucking up over there are republicans? NO. Many of them blacks and hispanics or mexicans even? Not to mention the 50,000 south african mercenaries or tens of thousands of 'private' security companies.

Your treasury has just been raided by the old Texan team. They are a smart lot. Enron to start.... Halliburton to end.

I feel sorry for the kids.

We told those idiots so. And we could have told those idiots that going after Chalabi like this is not going to get them what they want either. They are fools and incompetents engaged in the most banal kind of evil.

and noooooooo one listened.

The people here do, but my IRL family, friends, circle of acquaintances... and idiots on yahoo chat...

They just assumed the best in bush.

I knew from the start, in August of 2000, how bad this would be.

in NYC after 9/11. The Bushists created a culture of prison torture, of humiliation of Arabs and Muslims, when they rounded up those 1,000 suspects and hid them for a year. Then the culture spread to Afghanistan. Then to Guantanamo. And it's only just hit the surface at Abu Ghraib.

Chalabi's American mouthpiece, Judith Miller, is still on TV as a trusted pundit. I am amazed that insurmountable evidence of professional malfeasance and incompetence fails to damage the credibility of Judith Miller.

and it could have been my imagination but she looked a little guilty to me. It was probably my imagination. That was the first I'd seen of her in quite a while.

And 6 paragraphs down said it was a C-130 gunship.
jeez

I think they are people who don't want to feel guilty for the evil things they have done or for secret sexual urges so they have to redirect the blame. They redirect the blame to liberals, Muslims, or whomever and then they attack the people they blame. Then they feel even more guilty for attacking so they have to attack even more viciously to relieve their guilt, and they get caught in an escalating spiral of hatred and violence.

I hope this makes sense. To paraphrase Shakespeare, methinks they doth protest too much. For example, perhaps Bush referring to Saddam's rape rooms was a way to project the guilt of his administration onto someone else. Remember how out-of-place the references seemed in his speeches?

To paraphrase another well-known phrase--It's the scapegoating, stupid. They are ALL hiding something, just like Bill Bennett and Rush. Some of the things they are hiding are evil but some of them are just perceived as shameful by the rightwingers.

I wonder if Dr. Phil could do a group session with the neocons.

nuf said.