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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 02:49 PM
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Detainees were sodomized with night sticks at USA run prison
Edited on Fri May-21-04 02:49 PM by NNN0LHI
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/21/ltm.04.html

<snip>HEMMER: Want to continue on this theme now. As each new photo of Iraqi prisoner abuse makes its way into the Arab media, the image of the U.S. becoming darker. Robin Wright covers the Middle East for The Washington Post, our guest now from D.C.

Robin, welcome back here. And I know you've seen the videotape and many more of the pictures, too, on that latest disk. Your reaction to what you saw.

ROBIN WRIGHT, THE WASHINGTON POST: Well, they're horrifying pictures, but I think what is even more alarming and probably will resonate even more in the Islamic world are the accounts from the detainees. Finally, we're getting some kind of explanation of what happened, not just the images but the sequence of events and how these prisoners were treated in a general way, forced to eat pork and alcohol, which are both not acceptable in Islam, sodomized by night sticks. There are a lot of really alarming accounts that were provided to U.S. military interrogators.

HEMMER: Robin, on Wednesday, you wrote a piece in your paper, The Washington Post, talking about a growing fear of failure regarding Iraq. This coming as the meetings were held with Republicans and the president yesterday, talking about a very upbeat meeting with the president. How do we square the images that we're seeing now? WRIGHT: Well, I think it's part of the broader picture, which is one of deep concern, even alarm in Washington, about this critical juncture, less than six weeks left until the transition. And the situation appears to be crumbling in many ways, in terms of the violence, the assassination this week of the president of the Iraqi Governing Council, the escalating violence, these unraveling accounts that are undermining the U.S. image, the confrontation with a man who used to be the U.S. favorite in Iraq, among the Iraqi exiles, Ahmed Chalabi.

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 02:52 PM
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1. What's with all the ass masters in the US military?
Edited on Fri May-21-04 02:52 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
Sodomizing with night sticks...rubbing shit on prisoners...something is OFF in this nation if anyone is left supporting this war...these people are scared of letting a few gay folks in the military...but sick hetero fuckers that do this shit are welcome?
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 02:55 PM
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2. Fecal spreading could be a sign of childhood abuse.
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graham67 Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:48 PM
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6. Isn't that....
playing in your own poop though?
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:49 PM
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11. grbigh
Edited on Sat May-22-04 01:59 PM by GreenArrow
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 03:13 PM
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3. I finally read the Post's article and looked at some photos.
I'm just sick. I can't even begin to imagine how someone gets to a point where they think "I can kick and beat this stranger because they are less than human."

What do you think accounts for that kind of cruelty?

I blame Bush for ALL of this, and in part, I think these soldiers bought in to the "Osama/Saddam" connection. The poor Iraqis have paid for the sins of a lot of people, haven't they?

The Iraqis are the new American Indians...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:39 PM
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4. Where did all of the torture apologists go? n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:47 PM
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5. Zell Miller was still saying it's no big deal yesterday, because
Zell Miller (on Hannity and Colmes) was still saying it's no big deal yesterday, because the beheadings of Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg are worse, and September 11 is worse, and "no one dies of embarassment."

Of course, people die from severe beatings, and there are now over 30 prisoner deaths under investigation.

And torture is more than embarassment. On NPR yesterday, a man with a lawsut against the US said he was repeatedly electrocuted.

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1903947
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 12:39 PM
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7. I was thinking more about the torture apologists who used to post here
They seem to be scarcer than hens teeth lately. I can't figure out why that is?

Don

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 12:41 PM
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8. they'll be back
typical pattern for them to lay low when overwhelming evidence comes out but be back once we've all 'moved on'

peace
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Borknagar Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:47 PM
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10. Do you
Do you think Zell Miller knows that our bombs that dropped all over Iraq killed people in a gruesome fashion akin to 9/11.

Did anyone ask what 9/11 had to do with the Iraq war?
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Texican Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:41 PM
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9. I Think That We Should Call Them
Freedom Sticks instead of night sticks. It is a way to help support our troops.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:59 PM
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12. Yes, you're on to something. -- Freedom Mud? Freedom Hoods?
Bush* has forever RUINED the meaning of the word "freedom".

-- Allen
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