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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:17 PM
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How many schools have we built in Iraq?
Edited on Fri May-21-04 06:28 PM by scottcsmith
Invariably, when discussing Iraq with conservatives, they'll say the "liberal" media isn't telling the whole story about what's happening in Iraq, and they'll almost certainly bring up the fact that we're building schools in Iraq.

If that's true, where can I find the data on how many schools we've built? Anyone know? And photographs. Where are the photographs of the smiling Iraqi children returning to class in their newly-built school?

I've seen a few news items on how we've helped to renovate schools in Iraq. If the school-building is such a big part of the public relations campaign to show Americans how great things are going in Iraq, you'd think within seconds the information would be available: how many schools, the locations, and those photographs of the smiling Iraqi children. If this information is available, can someone post the URL?

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:23 PM
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1. They ain't doing shit
Here's one thing you know for sure: if they were, you'd be hearing so much about it you could barely stand it. Rummy would use every op to spout out some worthless stat, but he just has nothing to say.

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:26 PM
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2. Photographs. Yeh....photographs.
I've wondered about that for awhile. All this supposed progress that's being made. Where are the pictures? Huh??
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:26 PM
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3. None according to the Department of State Web Site-Link
Edited on Fri May-21-04 06:34 PM by othermeans
"More than 2,300 schools rehabilitated, nearly 900 more underway. 4,500 new schools to be built over the next four years."

No new ones built all rehabilitated-projection into the future for 4500 new schools

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/30820.htm
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:34 PM
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7. Ah, rehabilitated
Which means slapping on a coat of paint and doing some basic construction, shoring up the foundation or replacing windows.

Which also means Sean Hannity is a liar. Hannity said the following on the May 14 Hannity and Colmes:

"The thing that bothered me about the whole thing (prison abuse scandal), there was no context brought in. We have 150,000 troops there.

They are bringing civility where there was none. They are taking away the genocide and they're building roads and infrastructures and schools for the Iraqi people and they have a better chance of liberty and freedom than they've ever had. It's not perfect yet, but it's better."




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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:39 PM
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9. scottcsmith doesn't it make you feel good to have the truth and the facts?
I always wanted a job as a fact checker on those radio shows but the only openings were on right wing talk shows and for some reason they just weren't hiring.
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:48 PM
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16. I like to know the whole story
I've heard so many times now how we're building schools in Iraq and it just occurred to me today that I've never seen any DOD PR on it. No photographs, facts or figures. Nothing.

I think it's all a part of a propaganda campaign conducted by the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh and the other pundits. Too often the media -- liberal or otherwise -- puts out information and we just assume it's true.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:29 PM
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4. Actually I was listening to a local human rights worker from my area
on public radio comment concerning this issue a while back.
His criticism was that the NGO's (non govermental organizations) that were showing up to do this work had severly understated the costs of school reconstruction ..that it wasn't going well...that they had quoted $20,000 per school when actual costs of redesigning the educational system in Iraq would be closer to $40,000 per school and that they would show up...distribute pencils and a few staples to the schools and pretend that the job was done.
Can't recall his name...I want to say it was Jim Eliot but am not certain on that point..it was around the time of the Fallujah uprising.
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:41 PM
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11. Do the NGO's use independent money or government money?
I was just wondering.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:47 PM
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15. I would think non-government money
Since they're non-governmental orgs.

:shrug:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:49 PM
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17. I'm not certain..I do think they get gov't money but are perceived as
charities...I'll have to look it up for certainty.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:29 PM
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5. How many schools did with destroy is the key question.
We should not pat ourselves on the back for any shcool built until we build the first one that exceeds the number we destroyed or damaged.
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:49 PM
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18. You know you're right
After looking at the State Department blurb I thought how many of the rehabed schools were ones we destroyed? I guess that's something for
someone in the media to explore.
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taquinas101 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:11 PM
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21. Maybe its like Bush's job figures . . .
Only count the jobs that have been added over the past month, and exclude the jobs lost over the course of his presidency.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:29 PM
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6. as far as I am concerned it does not matter
we have invaded Iraq and have murdered innumerable amounts of children. Not to mention those we have maimed terribly.

Recently we maimed and killed more at a wedding celebration--killing children and women from our mighty helicopters.

And now we brag that we have opened schools?

Who really, in the face of it, can justify or be satisfied, or comforted by the proclamation that we have opened schools?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:36 PM
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8. I think they repaired some blackboards and painted some classrooms...
which is OK. But I haven't read anything about how many schools htey have actually built.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:41 PM
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10. Before the 1991 Iraq War, Iraq had one of the best educated
Before the 1991 Iraq War, Iraq had one of the best educated populations.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:44 PM
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12. I posted a similar question
about a month ago. Where's all the reconstruction? Where are the building sites? Where are the cranes and heavy equipment. Where are the trucks full of wood and drywall going down the highways? Nothing, nada, zip.

On a regular basis, I scan the news photos from Iraq. Again, nothing, nada, zip.

All I've seen is a lot of deconstruction, not reconstruction, but we all know W can speak correctly or spell.



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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:59 PM
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19. Check out the link above you can hang them with their own rope
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:46 PM
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13. The Abu Gharaib Academy of Torture.
And the Class of '04 will be remembered for all time.
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bedtimeforbonzo Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:47 PM
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14. Seabees built 74 schools in Iraq.
Rebuilt is more accurate, because some were existing but crappy.

I have no idea what anyother group did.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:02 PM
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20. We have not built even one school according to the official gov't site
http://www.export.gov/iraq/pdf/dod_wklyrpt_042004.pdf

so far this is what we have completed

• Over 2,300 schools throughout Iraq have been refurbished in the past year
• USAID announced a $12.6 million, one-year grant to the United Nations
Children’s Fund (UNICEF) to continue providing support to the Iraqi
Ministry of Education. This grant will assist in achieving such goals as:
– Providing 1,150 schools with access to potable water and fully
operational sanitation facilities;
– Developing and distributing materials and software for the promotion
of school health, sanitation, and personal hygiene;
– Developing, printing and distributing relevant training and teaching
materials and providing additional training for teachers, principals and
supervisors of the 1,150 schools; and
– Enrolling 50,000 out-of-school children in accelerated learning
programs


So, we painted, swept the floors and made promises. This is what the official governmental site said we accomplished.
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