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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:36 PM
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Attn: Berg researchers -- new tidbit in NYT
Edited on Fri May-21-04 08:35 PM by grasswire
Look at this:

The former officials said that memorandum was explicit in advising that if someone were involved in interrogating detainees in a manner that could cross the line into torture or other prohibited treatment, that person could claim immunity only if he or she contended that the prisoner was never in United States custody.

Does this explain the denials that Berg was ever in U.S. custody??????????????

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/21/politics/21MEMO.html?pagewanted=2

Note: corrected title and link -- originally I had a CNN link, but the NYT is the source.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:40 PM
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1. Are you suggesting...
...that Berg was tortured by the US?

God, my wires are all crossed and shorting out now.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:59 PM
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5. Why not suggest that -
I wouldn`t put anything past our government- they didn`t have a problem killing 3,000 people on 9/11 , so why would they get squeamish about torturing and killing one citizen? These assholes make the old Soviet Union look like a church camp.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:11 PM
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8. Oh.
>These assholes make the old Soviet Union look like a church camp.

Riiiiight.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:41 AM
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15. John fund tried to hide behind Berg on Zahn
Edited on Sat May-22-04 01:42 AM by Must_B_Free
It appears more and that Bergs beheading was manufactured for a right wing talking point and perhaps to hide the fact that he was tortured. Imagine him coming home in the midts of this torture scandal with a story to tell as an American who was tortured.

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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:45 PM
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2. Good catch the Berg case stinks it has more inconsistency's than

a speech by shrub IMO
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:54 PM
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3. no
Does this explain the denials that Berg was ever in U.S. custody??????????????

Why would it? He was already dead when they first started making the claim that he was never in US custody. I think it's fairly obvious that they are trying to make this claim to explain why he was detained to begin with and why he was held for so long... "not our fault, it was them thar stoopid Iraqis."
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:55 PM
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4. Look at what?
I read the linked article. I don't see what you are referring to.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:00 PM
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6. Is that the right link?
nothing in that article comes close to what you wrote.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:02 PM
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7. Not only that, guard uniform spotted near end of film
Check near the end of th tape. Watch closely at the blur on the right side of the tape from 13:46:00 to about 13:46:24. At 13:46:16-19 you can clearly see the left pants pocket of someone and the pocket has a flap just like those of the prison guards.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:36 PM
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9. link corrected
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/21/politics/21MEMO.html?pagewanted=2
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:40 PM
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10. That pile of cover-up sh** sure has a lot of cowchips falling off.
Love your latest sig line :)
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:54 PM
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11. RESEARCHERS?????---ROFLMAO! N/T
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:07 AM
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12. Oh yes...
They are researchers in the same sense that I am an astronaut.

Which is to say that, under the influence of certain psychedelic drugs and interesting psytrance music, I have occasionally entertained fantasies that I am an intergalactic traveler.

The primary difference is that I come down from it and feel like shit the next day, whereas the "researchers" only continue their massive google abuse.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:33 AM
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14. I don't know what to make of the Berg case
And yes, some people let tenuous leads and wild theorizing take them astray. But to denigrate anyone who tries to correlate various reports and look for inconsistencies (yes, using google among other things) as hallucinatory is unfair and unnecessary.

If you disagree with people, you should argue the merits and non-merits of their case, not attack them personally. Bad research is caught by peer review, not ad homnieum.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:50 PM
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16. But appeals to ridule are so much simpler!
More fun, too! Especially when they're also tag teamed!
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:56 PM
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17. Hell, I'd like to hear about the research methodology!
Not to mention the interesting hermeneutic approach.

:evilgrin:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:24 AM
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13. It is a good catch
This is just the kind of verbal and legal sophistry that BFEE is known for.
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