Quotes of the day: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the ....

Graner replied: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says, 'I love to make a grown man piss himself.' "

for perspective this one too:

"Remember, it's not important that we did torture these people. What's important is that we are not the kind of people who would torture these people."
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James

If you are merciless to others, God will be merciless to you. (Two wrongs make a right.) 2:13

James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God), Paul ( 2:21


Jude

God makes people evil and then condemns them to hell. 1:4

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don't believe in him. 1:5

Jude

God makes people evil and then condemns them to hell. 1:4

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don't believe in him. 1:5

We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by "the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."1:2

God drowned drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20

God wants some people to suffer. 4:19

you cannot serve two masters.

If there is anyone "in him" besides Christ, he may just not be a Christian to begin with, not to get picky or anything.

says this guy is a sick motherfucker.

...was thinking the same thing. This guy's about as "Christian" as Bush is. :puke:

Thinks it's disgusting what has been done.

It doesn't matter wether you're good because you choose to or because some guy from heaven that we've never met tells us to, the end is the same for good people, Torture and Murder are both wrong.

says I need to justify this with Christianity somehow

make all Christians look bad. Hey, my Christian brothers and sisters, its just a hard time to be a person of faith. A lot of Muslims are being dissed and called terrorists because of the actions of a few. You and I both know that these people in no way represent our faiths.

Christians going to start getting vocal about what these monsters are doing to your image?

http://go.sojo.net/campaign/remove_rumsfeld

What, they don't get interviewed on FOX or CNN as "Christian leaders"? Surprise!

They are working their butts off to get him reelected.

Americans have become intellectually stupid and lazy. The utter failure of the application of human powers of reason evinced by the majority of these anti-Christian rants is stunning. No one knows the difference between induction and deduction anymore. One guy who says "I'm a Christian" and also says "I like to make a man piss himself" means, using the mind-boggling powers of logical deduction we're embracing these days, that "All Christians like to make people piss themselves."

We didn't used to be this lazy and stupid. Back when the KKK was active, nobody suggested that they were enacting the teachings of Christ, or that they were in any way representative of mainstream Christain thought. But now days, any insane person who claims to be Christian has the authority of the Pope as far as most people are concerned.

Funny thing is, this kind of anti-intellectual, knee-jerk, bigoted and prejudicial behavior is not only allowed on forums like DU, it is seemingly condoned... as long at is directed at Christians. But if I applied the same stunted logic to African-Americans, I would be tombstoned so fast around here it would make your head spin.

Don't believe me? Try starting a new thread with the subject line, "The good citizen in me says it's wrong, but the black man in me just makes me want to rape white women." Follow it with a message that says, "Sounds like a typical negro to me." Go ahead, and see how long you last spouting hate speech about an entire, huge group of people based on one comment.

How about this one: "The medical student in me says it's wrong, but the gay man in me makes me want to have unprotected sex with every man I meet." "Sounds like a typical fag to me!"

Outrageous? Unacceptable? Intolerant? Inhumane? Pig-ignorant? Of course.

But hey, when it comes to Christians, it's open season here at DU!! Pile on those idiots, they're responsible for ruining everything! Man, that Jesus Christ, boy was he a dumbass! Who would believe in his shit? Morans! Ha ha ha ha!

Yeah, the Democratic Party is sure the home of the big old tent of tolerance, isn't it? Well, unless you're someone we've decided we hate, never mind the reason.

And never mind the millions of Christians who are not fundamentalists, who are liberal in their politics and inclined to vote Democratic. American Catholics have a long and proud tradition of taking a liberal/progressive stance at the polls. But this kind of exclusionist bigotry is driving Catholics and other liberal Christians away.

I someimes wonder which aspect of this behavior bothers me more, that people who claim to be progressive are comfortable using hate speech, or that people who claim to be progressive are so intellectually lazy that they don't recognize that they're engaged in hate speech. Either way, it bodes poorly for the future health of our party. It's interesting to me that with the division along party lines in our nation so close to 50-50, and with our agreed assessment of the importance of winning the upcoming election, that we are so damn determined to drive people out. Does this strike anyone else as counter-productive?

... "Americans have become intellectually stupid and lazy." It undercuts your argument a wee bit. With the kneejerk smart-assery out of the way, let me say I agree with your premise. Painting all Chistians as bigots and abusers is as bad as denigrating any other group based on the actions of a few... Pointing out the contrast between an individual's actions and professed values is fine, but even that should usually be left (in my opinion) to other adherents of the value system rather than outsiders.

is that the name of the religion is used (by Christians) as a synonym for virtuous.

Identify oneself as a Jew, a black, a gay, is not claiming a superior morality.

Unfortunately, this use is common here. If some says somebody is "not Christian," they are not referencing the belief that Jesus is a supernatural being; they are calling him a bad person.

--IMM

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If it's o.k. fer Mel. It's o.k. fer Chuck.

a lousy corrections officer.

Maybe he can work a little harder on the Christian thing.

Three restraining orders on this "Christian".

I don't even know what to say to that, other than it's too bad his "Christian self" (har, funny, I don't see how anyone truly Christian could treat anyone else that way) didn't hold more sway over his whole self.

precisely in the name of Christianity (what blasphemy that will be) and in the name of avenging our country's fallen on 9/11 did these soldiers think they were doing RIGHT!!! After all, didn't they successfully exact a form of punishment for the detainees and a form of "atta-boy" and "atta-girl" from the MI's (and whole stinkin' chain of higher ups) for themselves?

'I love to make a grown man piss himself.' "


this gives them the out. satan came a visitin. proof there is a devil. or my own morality structure

logic in America, these days.

There was a report yesterday, and I"m sure there are more out there, that the prisoners were forced to renounce their religion, and say "thank you Jesus" when they are being beaten.

Lots of people consider themselves "christian" in America. There are three varieties here in AMerica. 1) People who say they are christian. They don't go to church, they aren't born-agains, but they're sure they're not Jewish or Athiest. 2) Born-agains. A big fad in the 70's, now revived with those hideous Left Behind Book. Like Atkins, it's back from the 70's. 3) People who believe in Jesus, who attend a non-evangelical, non-fundamental church. They go to church on Sunday, but their religion does not define them.

I'd say that idiot was #1. Considers himself a Christian. But has zero behavior to back that up. Wasn't he he the guy who was attacking his ex-wife, and has gotten his unmarried girlfriend pregnant over there? He's a CINO. Christian In Name Only.

when he pulled the switch on hundreds of Texas inmates on death row...

called "winger". It's a group of people who ban together, blow the Christian smoke out their butts, while they practice "loving to hate". It gives them permission to hate. These bastards have taken over our country---they are the Christian right---they rewrote the 'book'. They have a hard time drawing the crooked cross (too complicated) so they stick with the standard one. They wouldn't know "Christian" if they fell over it.