Hillary clinton seems to be tuning republican along with lieberman

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/23/senate.military/index.html

When I read this stuff and find her standing with the repubs, it is like lieberman being in so many pictures with bush signing things into law......

they seemed to have become repubs....

I never understood Al Gore picking liberman...there were so many other choices.....that is one that I felt took him down.....

..choosing Lieberman would prove Al Gore didn't approve of Bill Clinton cheating with Monica Lewinsky (as we ever thought Gore approved).

I'm tired of repuke-lite Democrats.

She's trying to toughen up her war credentials for her 2008 run if Kerry loses.

She's trying to counteract the "she's a woman, and can't be commander of chief" attack.

Why would we vote for Hillary if she's going to be a warmonger?

What I do know, is playing politics too much, loses people's respect.

it makes me distrust her. :-(

I would guess that she, like most of our Congress, is on the Isareli government payroll...warring for Israel all the time.

Fuck her and the husband she rode into town on.

....just to watch Fox News and freepers commit mass suicide.

Let's get her to endorse Bush*!

And I have read some FUNNY ones!

:toast:

You mean we've had the power all along? Why didn't you tell me?

Because you wouldn't have believed me. You had to find it out for yourself.


-- Allen

Senator Hillary was a republican along with her family. She got smarter when she met big Bill.

but I do not think she has come into her own yet, I think she is trying too hard to fit into the beltway mode of thought.

as such , if she keeps it up, she will be doomed to continue as a robot, a tool, without much innovative thought at all.

and I think that in the future, there will be a revolution, where people will reject this--and reject Hillary's pandering to the DLC.

It will NOT be the way to go in the future, even though it WAS the way to go when she was first lady and her husband was president.

It will NOT work that way in the future and I think she needs to loosen up

they get very "Lieberman" at times. It is sad. I wish they would get independent of that money source. It's the difference between being a good politician and a great one.

and it is certainly worth keeping an open mind. We may have to at one point give up the notion that Hillary is a liberal, like we would like her to be.


At this point, she is not, in my opinion. but otherwise, I do think she is serving her constituents with everything she has.

I am just not one of those constituents.

How exactly do they reflect a national image, when they support their constituents to the detriment of the nation?

She has betrayed the opposition party and as such is a traitor to the Democratic party.

Fuck her, fuck Lieberman, fuck Zell Miller, fuck all of them.

I'm gonna buy a retirement home in Iraq for the lot of them.

getting elected to the senate was the only good news back in 2000. Remember? Oh god I was so happy she got elected, just because I knew it would piss off the Republicans to no end, and spoiled their almost complete victory.

partisanship that has existed in our politics for almost 2 decades now. Pubs and Dems hate it.

We need the Ted Kennedy's and Mitch McConnels to keep the fringes happy...sort of. But to be a popular politician, you have to sound reasonable to most people. Why do you think most people think McCain is an OK guy?

I think she's doing absolutely the right thing here. Lindsey is a staunch RW Pub. If Hillary shows the public that they agree on some things, that's good!

A strong military has always been a hallmark of democrats.

Kerry is calling for a larger military, too.

That doesn't make one a "warmonger" or "neocon."

Clinton nor Kerry has called for a pre-emptive doctrine like Bush currently employs.

As Wes Clark said, future missions for the US military will be humanitarian ones.

but what the hell is a "larger" military?

We should be strong enough to be able to defend ourselves if we are to be attacked. I might even say, we should be able to fight a war on two fronts.

However, this administration believes in neither, and this war was a CLEAR EXAMPLE of Bush's bizarro pre emptive strategy (actually preemptive sounds like there is something to preempt - it's more preventive).

It's one thing to have voted for the resolution, but it's too bad they can't come out and clearly state they regret their vote. Then again, maybe they don't...Hillary especially has no excuse, considering she's running for office in NY, and not for president.

...this administration believes in neither... and Clinton is not a member of "this administration."

Also, I don't equate calls for a larger military with anything Bush has done.

like a "muscular" foreign policy, are phrases so open-ended and ambiguous as to be meaningless. Our military is strong, hyper-steroided relative to others. We don't need to expand it, we need to get its ass out of this mideast clusterfuck.

Looks like we're gonna walk right into phase two of Vietnam redux with open eyes. Trying to fund guns and... well, we're not getting butter this time... guns and tax cuts, while inflation rearing its head, is going to wreck us. Again. Three successive administrations couldn't bring inflation and industrial stagnation to heel the last time. And this time around, Asian economic might is well beyond the transister radio/cocktail umbrella stage, they can suck our markets out from under us when we go slack.

If she's thinking about being POTUS or VPOTUS in 2008, she's got win as Senator in 2006. Upstate NY is much much more conservative than NYC.

She is leaning towards the right to keep her base happy and
to garner moderate Paleo-Conservative support.

If she isn't hawkish, it's reasonable to assume that New Yorkers who have become hypersensitive about NatSec issues-including conservatives in the northern part of the state-will turn on her, and then some Republican who's liberal enough on social issues to win the urban vote will eat her lunch. Her attitudes are understandable, if not exactly heartwarming.

"moderate Dem" does not equate to "war mongering republican who happens to call herself a Democrat"

No thank you.

...during his last "State Of The Union" address immediately after he LIED about Iraq being "the war on terror".

That is unacceptable. So are similar endorsements of this lie by Lieberman, Bayh, Biden and other DLC halfwits.

Spare me the "play to the middle in case she runs for President" crap. She deliberately applauded a blatant lie, and that alone disqualifies her from ever being a candidate I would vote for.

...larger military = more money for defense industry/energy contractors = more money in campaign chests for those who 'cooperate'.

- November better get here quick before I vote third party instead of ABB.

and put yourself out of your misery.

It is amazing how you can take a quote from Hillary and somehow apply it to the presidential election.

I think the angles the Kerry bashers are finding are getting thinner by the day.

Park Ridge, IL (a suburb of Chicago) and was a Young Republican in the 1970s...just returning to her roots.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/elections/dem2000guide/hclintoncq.htm

She made her bid for high school student council as a Young Republican. While in college, she worked in Washington for then-Rep. Gerald Ford, R-Mich. (1949-73).

That is amazing....what she truly is ...is showing through....she has been pretending to be a democrat.....or only was for her husband and to get a senate seat.....interesting.....great link

by a "larger military"?

If that means a draft, they should just come out and say it. Whenever Hillary runs for pres., whether it be in '08 or '12, I will support someone else in the primaries.

Please don't ever use them in the same sentence. Lieberman/Miller are traitors plain and simple. Hillary is just smart, and as much as the rightwingers try to tear her down, more and more of them cannot deny how great she has been for the Senate.

I can't believe she actually agreed with a Republican. She's cavorting with the enemy. She's either with us or against us! :eyes:

We ridicule * for this sort of black and white thinking, let's not turn around and start doing it ourselves.

She knows that America is in the mood for a hawkish potus and she is getting ready to fill that role. I'm sure once she gets in she will bolt back to the left pronto.

At least temporarily...at the moment we are stretched too thin in Iraq (and we probably need more troops there). We need what Kerry has already suggested, two new divisions, one of MPs and engineers.

She's probably correct.

she's a Corporatist.

it will only boost his numbers.

Republicans don't like Kerry. They loathe Hillary.

"She has betrayed the opposition party and as such is a traitor to the Democratic party.

Fuck her, fuck Lieberman, fuck Zell Miller, fuck all of them.

I'm gonna buy a retirement home in Iraq for the lot of them."

so let me get this straight, she has betrayed our party by calling for more troops JUST LIKE KERRY IS DOING? So are you saying that john kerry betrayed our party? I am confused.

I'm gonna assume you meant to respond to someone else but will answer anyway because I'm awake and why not :D I don't think calling for larger active duty = betrayal of the party. Actually I think its a good idea to depend more on active duty and less on reservists.

Republicans can thank themselves for our diminished standing army and increased dependancy on reservists, after all RIF happened under the Geo Bush I reign.

I do think whatever the hell she does draws republican ire because they loathe her... and Kerry should be the anti-Hillary (and vc-versa) untill at least after the election.