"I pretended I was dead so he wouldn't kill me,"

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I'm surprised that Iraqis aren't MORE agressive towards the Occupiers

The more I read the more I get disgusted.

From the Toronto Star (Videos back alleged bombing of Iraqi wedding)

"Hamza was yelling, `mommy,' " Shihab recalled. "Ali said he was hurt and that he was bleeding. That's the last time I heard him." Then another shell fell and injured Shihab's left arm.

"Hamza fell from my hand and was gone. Only Yousef stayed in my arms. Ali had been hit and was killed. I couldn't go back," she said from her hospital bed in Ramadi. Her arm was in a cast.

She and her stepdaughter, Iqbal — who had caught up with her — hid in a bomb crater. "We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise," Shihab said.

Soon American soldiers came. One of them kicked her to see if she was alive, she said.

"I pretended I was dead so he wouldn't kill me," said Shihab. She said the soldier was laughing. When Yousef cried, the soldier said: " `No, stop,' " said Shihab.
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Just another isolated incident I suppose

Gawd, it makes feel me so sick

and helpless . .

Perhaps violence and death are the default expectations in Iraq, given the nation's often bloody post-colonial history.

Still, I felt much less bad about the bloodshed when it wasn't my tax dollars drawing out all the blood.

measured by "tax dollars!"....

The horrors may have been as bad or worse before the occupation. The Dictator Hussein could be a cruel man, torturing and starving lots of people.

However, even if the net misery of the Iraqi people has gone down somewhat due the occupation (and that is a highly debatable point), my participation in the misery has gone up, commensaurate with the portion of my tax dollars spent on bombs, guns, crates, dogs, Bradleys, green rubber gloves and salaries for mercenaries.

You act like there was some horror-free option for the Iraqi people. Perhaps you are correct, but I think that is kind of a naive perspective. If there were a horror-free option for Iraq, I have every confidence that Bill Clinton would have discovered and pursued it.

The question isn't whether the Iraqi people are going to experience horror -- the only thing that really changes significantly from my perspective is the extent to which I (or my descendants) fund the horror.

the U.S.A. should not have invaded Iraq in the first place...As a Canadian I sometimes have to shake my head and remind myself that my friendly neighbour to the south has actually embarked on this horrible aggression...

Speaking personally, I think I may just be up in Canada temporarily until the insanity ends down south. (I didn't know that today was a day off 'til last Friday afternoon!) Still, I kind of like it up here.

It is funny to notice how many Canadians I meet up here assume that I am pro-war because I am from the States.

remember, we bombed in the self appointed no fly zone for ten years. We battered Saddam with that and killed a few people who did not get out of the way. It is estimated that Iraq, due to the extremely brutal and harsh sanctions applied by the UN, lost approximately 500,000 children due to disease and malnutrition in the period between the two wars.

This was a result of the last failed Bush president and the first Gulf War, which was undertaken with out tax dollars--and we simply, pulled out and left it to hang in the wind, along with leaving the evil man Saddam in charge. I am convinced that Bush second failed president, had some Oedipal notion of finishing what his father could not finish.

I would have thought that President Clinton would have fought to put my tax money to better use. I mean, he did have quite a few years to identify, spotlight and terminate the problematic behavior mentioned in your reply.

the answer to everything....Clinton was able to TALK to adversaries and allies intelligably....Bush, (who is almost to be pitied in his lack of knowledge or ability to express himself), has one solution to everything....ATTACK!!!!....IMO

is so challenged I,m surprised he can't at least show us some of his medal he won in special Olympics. Obviously he is in WAY over his head. So basically he feels like he has been backed into a corner all his life... I question how did we get to this place in history?

the point is that our tax dollars were used in Gulf War the first, and the first Bush failed president, did not follow through, and now the second failed Bush president took up where his failed father left off. Miserable failures both and now billions and billions of our money is being poured into Iraq--Clinton , as you know, I presume, did not invade Iraq and referring to Clinton is irrelevant. He actually told the PNAC who suggested he do so to go pound salt. We also had fiscal responsibility in the Clinton era--Bush is operating a tremendously exppensive, failed war policy on a tremendous deficit and to make it worse, actually want to give away more tax breaks to the rich!

Our tax money being used so that his corporate buddies can prosper in Iraq. We know it is not corporations who pay taxes--it is we the little people and our children; and grandchildren who are saddled. Now he goes to the UN to be bailed out--actually he got what he wanted--the spoils of war.

now that I think about it Clinton did take a stand against bombing in the no-fly zone. That was a heckuva fight. Anyway, I am glad he didn't pull the US out the UN the way he was threatening. I found that a bit extreme.

/sarcasm off

The whole lot of them.

it's ok, because it's not like they were at a wedding. This woman and her 7 month old and 5 year-old child are obviously terrorists, so you know they deserve this treatment. And if it was a wedding, terrorists have celebrations too. Like weddings...only instead of throwing the bouquet the bride throws a grenade. The lucky one who grabs it is destined to be the next suicide bomber. Crazy terrorists. They should know better than to pose as regular Iraqis and celebrate. Good thing our big planes showed them who's boss!!!

Reminds me of the Jews the SS gunned down in Europe for the Fatherland! Of course we fought the Nazis because we're better people than trash like they are, right?

Scary Herbert article: America being led by an Evil Force?


"There's a terrible sense of dread filtering across America at the moment and it's not simply because of the continuing fear of terrorism and the fact that the nation is at war. It's more frightening than that. It grows out of the suspicion that we all may be passengers in a vehicle that has made a radically wrong turn and is barreling along a dark road, with its headlights off and with someone behind the wheel who may not know how to drive."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/24/opinion/24HERB.html

Dread pretty well nails it for me!

These examples of cruelty are not just isolated aberrations...the atrocities in Iraq are the manifestion of a self-indulgent culture run amok.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=1059

FUBAR.

DTH

payback does not work. As Herbert says,to paraphrase, trying to bring democracy to Iraq by seeding it with bullets and bombs simply is murder, cruelty and stupid use of billions and billions of dollars.

I cannot support a troop who thinks killing these people is "payback" for 9-11 .