Which state should secede?

Which state should become the American Taliban Republic?

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the USA.

They even had a popular vote of the people to do it.

Then they got forced back in after they couldn't fight any more.

Don't blame Texas. Blame the ones who forced them back in against their will.

Do America a favor!

getting beyond ridiculous. Have you been to Texas? Have you lived in Texas? Judging Texas as worthless on it's most infamous resident is just as narrow-minded as the rest of the world thinking all Americans are like Texas' most famous resident.

Have you ever been to Mississippi? That place is scary. How about Alabama? Scary too.

Texas has Austin and San Antonio. You couldn't pick two better cities to live in for the price.

Lay the fuck off Texas would ya? It has problems, but if you can name one state that doesn't, I'll buy you a soda.

Mississippi is the most depressing place in the USA, stupid and proud of it. Alabama, South Carolina, pretty much the rest of the old Confederacy would be preferred expulsions over Texas, Definitely prefer Texas to Oklahoma. Would boot Texas before Louisiana though.

I've lived in Houston, Texas. There are lots of good folks in Texas. That having been said, I'm glad I moved back to Maryland, it's cleaner and better educated.

But I am with Elfwich here, there are far worse places in the USA than Texas (with the exception of Houston, yecch)

no, I've never lived there, but my sister and some of my best friends have(McCallen, Houston, Ft.Worth), and none of them have any desire to return.

neither do i.

Remember we had Ann Richards as Gov just before Shrub.
We have more than our fair share of wingnuts, but not the high percentages like SC and the deep south. There's a good chance Rick Perry will lose to a Dem next time.

"god bless texas" crap stops entirely, then maybe the rest of the country would begin to treat it as just another state as it deserves.

Until then, the braggart state of texas can take a flying leap.

Now, I've just insulted half my dearest relatives who live there!

See what you made me do?!?!?!

I do understand somewhat where you are coming from - somewhat.

:bounce:

And if California secedes, I'll stop visiting and actually move there.

Such great fodder for the freepers. This post is surely giving them a long leg to stand on. I wish the "intelligent posters" here would get a grip and stop looking so completely ridiculous.

What is with this freaking ignorantly biased bunch of misinformed, prejudiced, sterotyping LIBERALS? Where is the bleeding heart integrity NOW?

You know, I sent a link to a friend of mine to to a similar DU thread not so long ago. You know what she said? "Just like the Bushites."

And by the way, EW, blessed be, in the event that means anything to you.

utah.

Why break up the contiguous United States? They would have their precious oil, plenty of room for growth and access to the seas. So they might go for that.

No way! Send them to Texas. Send Texas out of the Union. Let them build their own wall, create their own faith-based economy, and eventually eat one another.

Maybe we should just give them Austin and force them to listen to bad White Stripes rip-off bands for all eternity.

Utah would be the most likely candidate. They tried before for the same reasons that fundies want to now: to create a Theocratic Christian Republic

That would be funny.

They should all stand up and fight. :D

All the sane Texans are welcome here.



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Then allow them to committ Taliban-like genocide on "infidels" who wear mini-skirts, low-rise jeans, or who happen to be black or Jewish. Then, we "liberate" the country neo-con style and drop a nuke on them.

n/t

the zen state. . .

and since Bush will be returning to Texas after Kerry wins, they can make him King of TexASS

Alcatraz would be better for them tho. It would work out perfectly, having all the isolation they could possibly want and need.:kick:

(former Judge) Roy Moore. He could be their Mullah in Chief.

I want to go there for BBQ. Also Will Pitt's dad is from there.

:puke:

Might as well.

I have friend in AR and LA, and they both say the same thing: "Thank GOD for MS, or we'd be dead last in every standard-of-living category that matters!"

:P

Call it the Chad Republic. And Jeb goes with it. Can sell it back to the Spanish also or to Castro. hmmmm

The Conch Republic, Key West has been trying to secede for years but the state wants their tourism revenues.

I'm poutin'.

Comanches.

We've suffered longer than the rest of the country from the MAine/Connecticut/Florida/Texas Bushes.

You gotta admit, you guys were suckered big time. And from the looks of it, you're in for more of the same with Perry.

Restore your national credibility by indicting Tom Delay.

Faux Texans all of em.

The Bush clan moved to Florida and Texas because no self-respecting Yankee would vote for that family of morons.

I never voted for that son of a bitch. I've had more chances to vote against him than you have. We've been dealing with his smirking ass for a lot longer than you, too. So stop acting like you're all put out.

Spelling edit.

Make Texas secede my white ass.

when Poor Boy Poppy posed with holes in his shoes

he got his ass kicked running for Senate so he settled for Congress; then all those B.S. appointments that gave him a "resume"

I dunno about you buddy, but aren't you more than a little tired of everybody trashing our home state? You grew up in South Texas just like I did. Can't you convince them that it's North Texas that is giving everybody the bad name? People seem to listen to you.

I don't get it.

They have all those cool Killer D's who are the very soul of courage. I think we would miss them.

:grr:

so let it go it alone.

I'd vote for Utah 2nd.

Texas? No way! If you voted for TExas you've obviously never spent time in Austin or San Antonio.

TX used to be a Dem state! We've been hijacked by the Reich Wing.
We have some VERY courageous, outspoken, proud dems here, doing their best when it would be easier to "cut & run" so to speak.

Lloyd Doggett, Ann Richards, Martin Frost, Sheila Jackson Lee,
The legislators who faced tidal waves of scorn & abuse for refusing to bow to redistricting and left the state in revolt, and many, many others I am forgetting due to the hour.

See my sig line - Sam Rayburn is my Texas hero and was absolutely one of the biggest proponents of the New Deal in the country, a hallmark achievement of our party.

I'm not saying that Texas is anywhere close to being a blue state anytime soon, I'm just saying that we are working very, very hard on it.

Please remember that it is VERY difficult to be a progressive Dem in Texas, and the people that choose it must have the strongest of Dem convictions to stem the poisonous tide right at the source from which it flows.

I won't give up on my state, it has a proud tradition of the few standing up for what's right when the outcome looks beyond bleak (Remember the Alamo? Remember Gonzalez? And our eventual victory at San Jacinto?). That faux cowboy and his henchmen just give us a helluva bad rap.

Sure, sometimes it looks easier just to give in and give up, but that wouldn't be the Texan way I grew up learning about.

So, cut us some slack down here - it ain't all rightwingers, they're just the noisiest in the herd.

They'll only pollute the Gulf of Mexico and waste the oil.
Give away Missisippi, less coast line to pollute.

They'll only pollute the Gulf of Mexico and waste the oil.
Give away Missisippi, less coast line to pollute.

that's my choice. Fundies get no state w/ any coast line. That's not negotiable.

If they seriously tried it, they should either have their traitorous asses tossed in prison, or they should be deported to a nice theocratic state like Iran.

I truly believe most of the people in every state are liberal on the issues that matter.

i stongly support the aggregation of them, so there votes have last impact nationwide

we let it seceed and then the rest of the USA gets to invade/annex it and subjugate the population in a war of occupation... then i might go with this seceed thing.... ;)

and in that case i have a few states i'm willing to 'purge and correct.' :evilgrin:

(yes, sometimes my frustration gets the best of me and i entertain such amoral fantasies. but then better to fantasize than act, no?)

they deserve him - but Austin can remain in the Union.

The above statement is in your profile.

A bit of a hypocrite, aren't you?

nation ruled by AWOL. The rest of Texas stays.

lol. Just kidding, I didn't vote for Texas, I have nothing against Texas. No one should secede, we should just get together and love our neighbors :9

was not listed so I selected the next best one,Texas. The state of BUSH would have been my choice. what a sorry person.

find some island in the Bering Sea and put them there.


John

& they're not evangelicals - they're often as not jewish, they ascribe to the theories of the late U of Chicago prof. Leo Strauss, and they are called NEOcon because they once WERE liberals, but have newly BECOME conservatives because they are convinced liberal ideas are naive. they think that religion is the opiate of the masses, but that that is a GOOD THING.

they suck as much as the social conservatives shoving the old testament down our throats.

BUT STOP CONFLATING!

... that really want to should secede. I doubt they would manage to get along with one another and when all is said and done we'd see about twenty different "nations"... and that would be just in Texas! But that's more or less how things are in Europe where many nations aren't much larger than our individual states. They somehow manage to get along and still maintain some individual integrity.

Actually, I think this country is too powerful and has entirely too much to say about how things go in the rest of the world. Dividing up might be good for everyone involved. Can you imagine how it would go if just Texas had invaded Iraq? Much eating of crow in Texas, I'd guess.

Texas should be the first, because they have always considered themselves to be somewhat seperate & better than the other states. There should be others though. Some of the Southern States still very proudly state they are the SOUTH and will never agree with the Yankees! Quite a few people in the South are still living the Civil War.

Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have a Yankee America and a Rebel America, each with separate Presidents, Congress, laws, and elections. People could chose to reside and be citizens of the "Country" they are most comfortable with.

Even though there are good things about all of the states, if there is going to be a civil war, why not just have it civilly and get it over with. Sure it would be a drag for anyone in the affected states, but it's not like there is a vast new unpopulated world out there where disaffected groups of people could go to.

Ok, some people dream of space, but that seems unrealistic.

thrown off our land as the theocrats take over the state and it secedes from the country? :(

Relocate the current populace and cram all the right wingers, fundies and locos into the tiniest space available so they'll be easier to monitor. That's a "Trail of Tears" I'd love to see.

I know that's not very liberal of me. I can dream, can't I?

Y'all should be ashamed!

its the only state in the union that doesn't need America. It could function just as well, if not better than it does now.

It so desperately wants to be its own country, let it.

I don't mind the land and the people, just that weird Texas pride. Don't mess with Texas? Okay, it isn't my habit to play with crap, anyway.

this group of extremists is not the majority ... so we even kiddingly talk about a hostile takeover effecting residents in that state for "secession". Not in one of the state's listed, but am in one that has gotten some heavy bashing as of late - that might get some votes were it on the list. Even in jest - suggesting that some of us should be displaced by the crazy theocrats - is really annoying.

The way I think of it (and I don't think anything of the sort is going to happen, so it doesn't really matter), I would rather move to the western half of the country - if that is what it came to - with like-minded more liberal people who appreciated civil rights, environmentalism and such, than to live in a fundamentalist militaristic, destroy the environment, no internet allowed, etc. etc., kind of country.

like the Amish, and leave the rest of us alone.

like some militia groups have done, that wouldn't be that bad.

I'm looking at the broader picture of what seems to be a revolution from within and it looks like they are winning.

Just like so many have talked about moving to another country - so goes the discussion of having part of our country back.

Iraq. Oh .... I'm sorry. Iraq is not a state yet. Mission not accomplished.

I've been to Indiana & it's not that bad.

but yeah, I could move.


I suppose it's harder to consider for people who grew up in places where there were of several generations of their families living. My parents moved to the middle from opposite coasts.


I feel like I'm living in a war as it is - like the United States Cold War. I think it would be less stressful to let those who want a Christian country to have it and for those who actually do want religious freedom to have that.

I would move for it.

that has happened numerous times in this country - which always dies out. There have been several period of "great revivalisms" or "great awakenings"... often just following a period of great technological change. Almost as if something pulls back to the "security" of a rigid system which is known, black and white and needs no negotiating to adjust and learn to thrive in. The thing is that the pressure to live up to the behavioral expectations seems to be so high - that over time the movement loses more and more of its "converts" and the influence dies down. When looking concurrently at trends in the media (all of the obnoxious reality tv shows, etc.) it really doesn't appear that these folks have taken over. Even more so - inspite of media dominance and propoganda - the public opinion is still split - and growing against their desired directions. Heck, even on the issue of Gay Marraige and Civil Unions the numbers have shifted in the past six months with more of the public suddenly okay with Civil Unions - as it appears to the public a good "compromise". Thing is - to the theocratic right, there IS no compromise on this (and other) issues - so the shift - is a weakening of their influence. We have been in this period for, in my estimation, just about 20 years - and I think it is starting to wane. It will still be with us as a political influence for awhile - but I would guess that before too long (in a historical viewpoint... maybe 10 years?) the stands will begin to look more and more marginal to more of the public putting us about where we were in the beginning of the eighties regarding the power of the religious right (and they didn't have much power then - Reagan pretty much ignored them... a little pandering here and there.. but overall marginalized.)

I was talking with my son yesterday about the Democratic party and thinking how much more conservative it has gotten in his lifetime than what I remember from the 70's.

And after being at my brother's the other day, I feel overwhelmed by fundamentalism.

And then writing letters to the editor against torture and all and then worrying that someone might want to shoot me....



I think I'm just a utopian at heart. That's what.

I probably would have been one of those to live in New Harmony when it was blooming.

they have issues.

mood disorder and behavioral issues?

The state that gave us Nixon, Reagan, and the Governator.

Contrary to what these nutfucks believe, this nation was not founded as a Christian nation - and I'm a Christian - but honestly these people make me completely embarrassed to admit it. Let's use a line from their play books, "America: Love it or leave it!" I'm not willing to give one square foot of US soil to these hating biggots. Stick them on a raft and push them out to sea.

there was talk about someone building a boat so huge that it would be like a permanant home for people - out in the middle of the ocean.

That's what they need.