OK... Break Down To Honesty Here... Re: Al Gore !!!

Here on the west coast, the Jim Lehrer Hour just comes on, and when they showed a snippet of Al Gore's speech today, my 75 year old mom yells, "If you had just said those things at the time!"

And I look at her and say, "If we had known then, what we know now... If Gore had known then, we he knows now..."

So I am copping here to, at the time, being tearful and understanding, when President Gore allowed the FUCKS to use the 5 to 4 decision of the SCOTUS (remarkably close to SCROTUM, no?), and his own fears of starting a constitutional crisis, to fork over the power.

I couldn't have believed it could get this bad, because I had greater 'faith' in my country. I was wrong.

Anybody else have the same feeling (Gore's doing the right thing by not throwing a fit at the SCOTUS decision) at THAT time??? As opposed to now.

C'mon in, the water is warm here!

:shrug:

I would have taken the constitutional crisis, but then I am all for election reform. Involving the Scotus in sorting out vote tallies isn't my idea of a healthy democracy.

He was essentially by himself against an army of rich, well-connected Republican officials

I agree!!!

:kick:

take action against the decision to stop the counting. They were, as usual, abandoned and ignored and now we are all playing the price.

told them to vote their conscience. Hillary was at some state function as first lady.

The vague rumblings were building and coalescing, though, as I watched in horrors.

The 2000 version of Goebbels v2.0 was designed to keep us asleep and unenthusiastic. The media certainly helped, and only does so to a person if they allow it into their brains uncritically.

I don't know WHAT could possibly be the excuse for our Democratic Reps, Sens and spokespeople.

Also anthesetized by the Bushevik Party-Loyal Sub-Media and Corporate TV Pravda (which is so weak all it can do just about anymore is drift lazily in the scummy wake of the Bk P-L-S-M.

(except on the rare occasion it's something sensationally sexual, like the Torture Scandal)

But I think our Reps were sucked in by the Bushevik Fantasy Bubble, too.

Orwell could have told them, but he's dead.

At the time, Gore's self confidence was at it's lowest ebb. He had endured a years worth of unrelenting battering by the media and surgically applied smears smacking of every sin that has a name by the Bush attack machine.

Gore tried to please too many people. At his right hand, was Lieberman whispering in his ear.. "Al, if you try to stop this, you'll create a Civil War and divide the country.""There will be BLOOD in the streets and their blood will be on your hands." Lieberman played on Gore's religious background to ally what Lieberman knew to be his Achilles heel, GUILT..

Although we would have lauded Gore for taking on the fight. Gore wouldn't have been successful. Merely having one issue to point to and proving it against a Bush owned Supreme Court wouldn't have accomplished much more than the equivalent of shooing a fly off a freshly baked pie.. Gore in his lone fight unbeknown to us, would have been battling a stonewall comprised of hundreds of thousands of like minded pariahs intent on one thing, winning the election anyway they could..In essence Gore was facing the pinnacle of over 50 yrs of incalculable corruption.

What we have been witnessing over the last several weeks is the beginning of the fall of the Bush Empire. It has taken the work and efforts of hundreds of dedicated people aligned in a common cause of patriotism. Their purpose, exposing the Bush empire in all it's venal, moral, corruptness, for all the World to see.

We've just scratched the surface.
Back to work. There is much more to be done.

Damned fucking tootin'!

:grr: :bounce: :grr: :bounce: :bounce:

at some point we need to let it go and move
But alot of high up DEMS knew about the november stuffing, the purged rolls and so on, the biggest mistake was not calling for a total recount from the get go, that really crippled us.

a presidential election.
Worse, I didn't see any Congress people rushing to
add a Constitutional amendment to "fix" it!

The only option available at the time was a revote..
which strangely enough, no one asked for!

Maybe even betrayed because all through the campaign he kept saying, 'I will fight for you'. Then...

I wanted him to fight, I wanted him to tell me to fight. I would have.
Instead he went on about the rule of law. Screw the law. Harris, Jeb, the USSC, and the bush cabal broke the law, made new law and shit on all of us.

ok, rant over. :evilgrin:

It shouldn't have been a personal thing(
"loserman") --he had a duty to fight for a fair election for US! and he just let it slide so as to appear to take the higher ground. That was a mistake. A TERRIBLE mistake.

Hi,

I wanted him to fight! I wanted him to say...."Isn't it strange that Jeb is the governor, George is the candidate and THIS is the state where we have a voting problem. Seems fishy!"

I wanted him to stand his ground and to this day I still want to hear him say "I won the election."

However after listening to his speech tonight, I think he would have done all of those things.

Cheers,
Kim

and I realize he had a lot of pressure and poor advice etc. To me it would have been a no-brainer. You don't lay down for a bully, no matter how embarrassing it is or how they beguile you ( cries of "The country is losing patience!" and so son everytime he tried to fight the crime in court)

Obviously in hindsight it would have been better to have some grumpy Bushies complaining about a strict little namby pamby like Gore getting his legalese win than to let them win by blunt force and see what criminals do running the country because you're afraid about the complaints. They didn't care that WE would be complaining! And that "riot" display was all show--they don't have the courage or the numbers to actually revolt against the legal government!

Maybe Gore just got the word that SCOTUS would find against him no matter what, so it simply didn't matter if he fought or not. I prefer to think that

diff! Just like Bush should have been better than Saddam!

based on the rule of law, and as such he had to put his money where his mouth was and bow to SCOTUS

the speech is great will be on C-Span at 9:50 (or there abouts) and the text can be found on a link here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1671642&mesg_id=1671642&page=

any recount conducted in contervalence to the Supreme Court would have been tainted as partisan and thus the naming of a slate of electors would have been accepted by wide amounts of the country. Only a clear and convincing win in a non partisan count would have saved Gore from that fate.

I don't see what Gore could have done. There were no more legal options.

But at the time, it seemed he couldn't do much of anything that wouldn't have damaged himself, the Dems, and the country.

NOW, it looks like he should have been beating the shit our of... whoever.

But, hindsight... ah, you know...

:shrug:

in Congress would keep Bush in check. Instead the Dem leadership rolled over like wimpy dogs or hoped to score points for their political future by assuming that voting for war made them look tough.

the Congressional Black Caucases protest not to count Florida's electorial votes. I remember over and over Gore saying and do you have a senator's signature. Maxine Waters I remember saying No and I don't need one. Gore saying, but the law says you do.
Spilled milk...Max is out of of a job
Senate and Congress belong to Republicans
We have a maniac who stole the election
and God only knows how many dead and more to die and get mamed in this war of lies led by this chain of fools.
Hindsight....They say 20 20..Well my foresight was close to that as well as the congressional black caucases.

Just started :bounce:

Al is TRULY kicking ass!!!

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Heh...

:bounce:

My 80 year old mom was shouting - "Give um hell Gore, give um hell!!"

That being said, I still don't know how Gore underestimated the forces working against his bid for the Whitehouse... considering the number they did on his former boss.

As cynical as I am (and that has grown exponentially over the past 3 1/2 years), I never dreamed they would be so brazen. I can understand it then but anyone who STILL says we have to be "nice" and "bi-partisan" is either completely blind or complicit with them.

changed.

I'll cop to these, though:

1) Never in my wildest dreams did I expect the Busheviks to do what they've done. I expected bad, OK, but Raygun-bad (with a little good mixed in), as with Raygun...not Ferdinand Marcos bad with an option for Stalin/Hitler bad.

2) My gut felt it was a bad decision, but my brain hadn't caught up. I hadn't analyzed the situation, and although I had many of the bits of pieces to the Goebbels v2.0 puzzle, still knew nothing about the "bigger picture" of Bushevik program to seize America and loot it. But the vague disquiet in my gut that "something was terribly, terribly wrong" was ringing off the hook, to butcher my methaphors. And a small part of me felt that Gore was doing the right thing, but it was very still and small, even then.

God, what fools we were in those days! Christ, I remember quite clearly in October 2000, chatting with a semi-Freeper (is there such a thing as a semi-Nazi... bottom line, he was a slave to the Pravda, hook, line & sinker) and agreeing "Yeah, the media is sort of Liberal."

But, for the most part, something in me knew that is was a terrible mistake for Gore to bow ut so easy when the corruption was right out there in the open...

a premonition of disaster. I was very critical of Al at the time. He was too much the gentleman for my tastes.

I'll ask the question I still can't answer for myself. If Gore could have done something different, at least after the SCOTUS decision...

What would it have looked like?

Honest, dumbfounded question here???

:shrug:

On edit: BTW - I respect ALL of your opinions!!! You know... all of you guys, LOL !?!?

:cripes:

Start with his concession speech.

(and this is from a 20/20 position of hindsight)

Perhaps the speech could have gone something like this:

"Yesterday the Supreme Court overruled the Recount in Florida and gave the Presidency to George W. Bush. I would have no problem with that, had this procedure been in the Constitution. But I challenge ANY legal scholar to show me where it has the Supreme Court of the United States deciding a Presidential Election written in the Constitution.

"It's just not there. Even more disturbing than the unConstitutional way this election has been decided, more disturbing that it has happened alost without reference to the American People, is some of the actions taken by the Bush Camp, including sending down Paid Republican Operatives to create a prefabricated riot, assaulting a Democratic Vote-Counter ans shutting down the Miami Recount.

"I don't want to say what that reminds me of, but let's just say those action were quite unAmerican."

"So I have decided to keep fighting in any way I can. The American People and the vision of the Founding Fathers deserves no less. I will pursue other legal and investigative angles, particularlu regarding the allegations of Republican Disenfranchisement and Dirty Tricks around the country. If these allegations are true it would seem that they have learned nothing since Watergate except not to get caught.

"I am not speaking of violence here, and I would not have anyone interpret my words as such, but what I am saying is that just should be done for myself and the 50,000,000 people who voted for me."

"If the Bushes wish to steal this election, let them at least do it semi-Constituionally and let Florida appoint a second set of electors or force it into the Congress as the Constituttion states."

"But I cannot, as an American, remain silent in the face of the unConstitutional process. The Constitution and preserving the System is more important than who eventually becomes President.

"Thank you and Good Night..."

================================

Naturally, this would have depended on Democratic Unity and Spine which has been notoriously absent (I'm sad to say) in almost all but the oldest Democratic Congressmen & Senators. It was doubly so back in Dec. 2000.

In the end, maybe Gore was right. DeLay and the other Busheviks were already using bullying and general threats of violence to "move things along"

I think there are more than a few DUers who, even then, would have gone out to meet them vigorously (even though DU did not yet exist).

On the other hand, if we are going to have a Civil War, and I think we are eventually (50 years, tops), perhaps it would have been best to have it (I can't believe I am saying that because my philosophy always has been "God Help Us All if we open THAT Pandora's Box) now while there is still something of the Old Republic left to save.

But that is human nature and the nature of complacency. We were too happy and well-fed to understand that ths was Third-World Politics, perhaps demanding a "Third-World Response" (see CIA Bushevik Ed Luttwak's Coup D'Etat manual for why it's so easy to Coup Soft Westerners who are "used to the election process" and so won't do anything when you Coup them)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0394420519/002-9484397-3795269?v=glance&st=*

I really don't know the answer. But you asked for my best guess as to what Gore "should" have done.

Here it is.

Court decision, is there?

You have to go get a new case, based on similar principles, and work it up the chain again, right?

Anyway, I thought Gore did the right and noble thing. Still don't know what he could've done different.

Remember, he couldn't even get 4 counties recounted, they would never have let all of Florida be recounted.

Jeb is a crook and he had the state sewed up every way from Sunday.

Anyway, I thought Bush would be really bad but I must admit, I had no concept of how bad he would be. And he started immediately with appointed John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfeld.

My heart aches at what we as a country have lost because of Bush. I no longer have pride in who we are, because Abu Ghraib is part of who we are.

but i'm glad he's doing the right thing now. he was the standard bearer for the opposition, not to mention the fact that the decision was completely bogus. i understand why he did what he did then (i agree with michael moore's assessment), but i support his efforts now.
:loveya: sorry i missed you in tahoe...next time, for sure :hi:

:loveya:

Oops, probably should have been a PM!

OTOH - I do... LOVE YOU!!!

:hi:

probably PM material as well, but it's a rhetorical question :loveya:

What a man of CLASS

not just for himself, but for America.

Given the structural damage to the System already in place and given the further doubled damaged (perhaps tripled) since then, I wonder if it was the right thing.

We'll know in 30 years. We will either still be a Free Country or we will be ruled by Caligula Bush or Nero Bush (and his name won't necessarily be Bush, though I think there is a 60% chance it will)

him greatly that he was cheated by James Baker and a bunch or sorry democratic thugs. But the most heart-wrenching for me was to think that we were cheated out of having potentially the best President in history. Gore realises that his country is being led by a whole group of incompetents and he is sick of it. He is honestly scared that everyday these clowns are in control the American people become more endangered (just like all the species that Stump doesn't care to save.) I was overwhelmed by his environmental speech, but this one was amazingly overpowering. I just hope lots of people hear about it.

from the man who should rightfully have been our 43rd president. That speech is one for history to remember and quote.

honesty and true compassion for a change. Gore handled the election with class and dignity, he had no choice. I have a great deal of respect for his courage.

It makes me so sad to see what could have been and what is. These neocons have disgraced everything this country had to be proud of, everything. Now, I hope some of the other spineless elected officials will stand up, the door has been opened.

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I`ll bet he yelled. And then probably cried until his handlers cleaned up his drunken ass. Al Gore is My President. And has my permission to yell about that son of a non-vote counting GOP slut. All he wants. He lives in the land of free speech. And he should use his as he see`s fit. That is until the moron squatting in his White House does away with the first ammendment. It will be done away with soon if the neo-cons have their way.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

You can't appeal a Supreme Court decision. Should he have caused a massive constitutional crisis? In hindsight, I wish he had, but no one but no one but no one had a looking glass in December 2000 strong enough to envision everything that has happened since.

Gore would have destroyed himself politically, and would have made Bush appear more legitimate in the process.

Like they said in Chicago after the 1960 election, he stole it fair and square.

Gore should have _________________.

Fill in the blank.

I don't know, especially in the mindset of Jan. 2001, what that would have looked like.

So somebody, please fill in the blank!

:shrug:

That the Bush's took it and peed all over it makes his defeat even more bitter. That Gore continues to fight for us just solidifies in my mind he is not only one of the last remaining true patriots in politics - he qualifies as one of the best we've ever been lucky enough to have serve.

And that's why they hate him so much.

if they we alive during the reign of raygun. he was another dumb, but congenial front man for a sinister cabal. unfortunatlely, he duped a lot of democrats too. if this happens in 2004, will we still be making excuses in 2008?
in hindsight, how should the opposition respond to a judicial coup? no recourse won't cut it...again.

and I never saw this craziness coming.

had anymore meaning than "morning in america?" perhaps it's my family circumstances. most black folks know that republicans = hard (and bad) times. what makes people think seasoned politicians DIDN'T know how bad these people were? that's seems very naive to me.
perhaps nothing could be done to stop it...i can swallow that.

I cannot understand the naivete of some that say he did not fight. What more could one human do - especially without the support of those that wanted him to go further?

the gore campaign could have sued the bushies and once again taken the judicial route. gore CHOSE to end it.

i've never understood all the "constitutional crisis" nailbiting, which of course fed right into the republicans' plans. this country has survived far worse than an extended battle over who takes office as the next president...clinton, the sitting president would simply have remained in office until the matter was settled.

i am among the millions of dems who felt betrayed by gore's cave-in, along with his spinelessness on the military votes issue at the same time.

the man had the moral high ground, re the popular vote, and he still handed it to bush

anyone who says they couldn't imagine things getting this bad under bush needs to be a little more honest with themselves. all one had to do was watch the bush campaign in action; these people stop at nothing and hold themselves accountable to no one but the almighty dollar.

i, for one, am not the least bit surprised at how awful things have become under this administration.

finally, who among us thinks the bushies would have given up the fight for the white house as easily as did gore? until we begin to stand up against the republicans with the same ferocity with which they attack us and america, we will remain on the losing side.

that said, it is my hope that gore's wonderful speech signals a turning point in our approach to the republicans. and i hope john kerry notices, which i doubt he will.

Because he was too damn naive. Maybe just too good to BELIEVE that Bush could be the 3rd antichrist. Or just not well enough informed: i.e. naive. Which is troubling.

Many of us tried to tell him. Wew KNEW about the Bush ties to the Nazis. His "hamdlers would not let this info reach his ears. Spies in his campaign? Probably.

I LOVE Al Gore: but if he had been a true leader he would have known what the bastards had in them (the evil) and he would have fought harder. From day one. And he SHOULD have rallied the troops in the streets if necessary. But he fsiled to do so and I fault him for that. But he is not alone in that shame. We ALL are.

Unfortunately we had a spineless democratic congress and a spinless and misinformed and sleepy sheeple populace (in a deep lethargy under the spell of neo-centrist democrat slick willy)

Gore fucked up big time and so did we.

as the rest of the Democratic Party: especially the Congresscritters and Senators who refused to support the Black Caucus's protest. When they rolled over for the Bushies, it was equivalent to telling the swing voters, "It's okay. You can go back to sleep for another four years."

THAT is the issue, and the only issue. If we had had election laws and procedures in place to prevent this, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

But, what are ya gonna do, DUers??? We KNOW about the voting machines. How many of us are REALLY doing all we can to support the largest groups trying to fight this type of thing happening again in just another 5 months and 5 days (plus'r minus).

Contact www.blackboxvoting.org AND www.verifiedvoting.org. If you don't have time on your hands, then send money for lawyers and printing and transportation. If you don't have money, go to all your local businesses and ask for donations. Go door to door and get donations. Tell people about this issue, and see if you can't get more people involved. Get your talking points from the above web sites, and go to your counties and states, and call your congress critters and get them to move on this. YELL AT THEM!! INSIST THEY ACT ON OUR BEHALF!!

Call Daschle's office and tell him to boot the senate bill out of committee and onto the floor...and call every congressman/woman and tell them to get their bill out and then hammer the shit out of them with faxes, phone calls, letters, and send 'em a copy of Black Box Voting....and tell 'em to read it YESTERDAY!!

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN!!! We're looking FORWARD at this topic we've been analyzing on this thread... it's in our FUTURE!!! Are we going to STOP that future from happening, or are we going to agree to come back here in December and cry on each other's shoulders yet again?

The PAST is Jeb's and george's. The FUTURE can be Kerry's...the FUTURE can be OURS!!!

But just "wishing" isn't going to make it happen.

:kick::kick::kick::kick:

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

you're right...voting is the key. i'm onboard with this putting my time and energy towards this effort :kick:

Gore not showing his real self during his campaign. If he had, he would have won. I'm glad he's doing it now. What he did with the SCOTUS was show respect for our system of government. Even if that was rigged, he acted "as if." Now, when the dirty tricks are not directly related to him, he has the credibility to shine the lights.

Hey GMB !!!

:loveya:

I think all of the "should have, could have"s lie with Gore's campaign, not with how he handled the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision.

so that Sen Kerry will pay CLOSE attn and heed the warning.

I can see that Kerry has it deep down within him - we can't let him get sucked into the undertow of "close advisors" and the insidious DLC influence (which, IMHO, was the coupe de grace for Gore).

Please, please Sen Kerry, don't let this be you!

I love Al Gore. Al Gore is my President.

My wild dream administration would include Al, The Big Dog, Dean, Ted Kennedy, Sen Byrd, Wes Clark, Dick Durbin and some others I'm forgetting just now....

Had to edit to clarify my pick of The Big Dog. I know lots of us feel like Clinton let us down and dragged us rightwards (I agree) but I'll always love him for his smarts, charisma and ldrship qualities. We could make him Sec of State - he always won over the rest of the world quite handily :D

When he was campaigning, our country was not in the mess it is in now. He knows that it is now a matter of getting the idiots out before they pull this country apart. The emergency of the situation prompts strong reaction.

to follow, when you have remorse about doing nothing.
Do something!

There were some of us who did back in the last election when DU wasn't here, we were at Salon. There were many who you will find their names referenced in books (like Greg Palast)

Maia Cowen
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/sitemap.htm

Find anything listed there. We followed each lawsuit and absentee ballots any reference in local elections. The threads were moving faster than lightening with people posting links, not just opinions. Maia would take them and piece them together.

Paul Lukasiak
Researched Florida laws & flaws and you'll find his writings on Maia's site.

Some of us weren't writer's but took the time to find (not just google) from newspapers, other forums, old books, activist, etc. the other information. It was exciting & disappointing. Every lawsuit from Seminole to Supreme. Gore had the upper hand, because the law supported his claim. But who knew that those thugs who shut down the recount in Dade were operatives from Congress. We did. I think it was posted in Salon immediately, if not 1st there. Anything that broke came out pronto. Who knew the judges were appointments by GOP.

The recount by the newspapers that was due out the week of September 11th. In the meantime Greg Palast has discovered the data base that elimated the votes of thousands. All the votes that never got counted. The stories that disappeared ask quick as they were published, hard copies are so valuable.

Floridagate
http://www.geocities.com/goretothecore/floridagate/

What can be done differently? Never assume anything. Just because Bush is falling in the polls it doesn't mean absentee ballots can't be placed anywhere at anytime, to change numbers.

Manditory Reading
Every reports and articles on Maia's site. You might be able to finish by the election, if you read 1 a day. It will keep your adrenalin pumped and you will never, ever say "I didn't know where I could reference it.

There's always something you can do to make a difference.

Nobody, not even Al Gore, could have stopped what happened in November-December 2001. Nobody. Period. End of story.

The NeoCons already had control of both houses of Congress, the Judiciary branch, the military via the NeoCons in the Pentagon, and the mainstream media. All they lacked was control of the Executive Branch...and having gone as far as they had, they weren't going to stop until they had that under control, too.

All you folks claiming to be disappointed in Gore for not fighting for what was rightfully his need to take a cold hard look at what was really taking place back then. It was a coup, pure and simple. The sooner some of you can grasp that concept, the batter off you'll be in terms of understanding what we're up against. The NeoCons will NOT go down without making some last-ditch effort to maintain their power.

Thank goodness that some groups are already lining up against them...the DIA, the CIA, some senior officers in the military, a faction of the DOJ/FBI, and a strong segment of the mainstream media.

and the neo-cons did not stop with the coup, as we now know. They were behind the debacle our country is now confronting in Iraq. They used their "power" to defeat any opposition in our legislature and gave sole power to an incompetent like George W Bush to lead their ill-fated mission.

Still a bloodless coup, though.

54 Republicans - 46 Democrats



Republicans have controlled the Senate for all but 18 months of the last decade. The Senate was divided 50-50 after the 2000 elections, with Vice President Cheney breaking the tie in favor of the GOP.


On May 24, 2001, Senator Jim Jeffords of VT switched from Republican to Independent, and announced he would caucus with the Democrats. That put Democrats in control of the Senate for the first time since 1994.

Several "Democrats" (especially Zell Miller (GA), John Breaux (LA), and Ben Nelson (NE)) have voted with the Republicans on key votes.

No one really controls the senate without the super majority of votes-
60. What they do control is the commitees and the vote agenda with the majority of 51.

this doesn't make me feel any better about 2004.

I knew it was sinister. Didn't realize it was a Coup until the Supreme Court voted, though. It just kept getting worse and worse and I kept thinking someone would step in and stop it which I thought would be the Court. I thought they would allow a full recount. When they didn't I knew that we had a return to the Nixon era. Ted Olson (of Mellon-Scaife fame and his bitch Clinton hating wife) and James Baker, the Power behind the Bush thrones.

Didn't help that Lieberman turned on Gore, either. Now that I see what Lieberman's about, I think he was a "Plant."

It was a Coup....no doubt about it. Gore didn't have help from anywhere. We do have some Dems to blame for it. One day it will all come out. All of it. It's worse probably than we even imagine at this point. :-(

playing fair with thugs - always a mistake.

but my guess is that he thought the sympathy he'd garner would win him the election the next time.

Whatever the case may be, and no matter how correct he is in his recent speeches, his calm demeanor then and his increased volume now make him look like someone who has snapped. I approve of his message, but I sure wish he'd switch to his previous demeanor.

We've always thought there were very few bad apples. And we certainly never thought those running the country had profit in mind. That combined with the media, and we were headed for our present situation. And I always saw Gore as a moderate. I always thought of Gore as a republican. That's why until I could see where we were headed, I was going to vote for Nader. Boy, has he appeared to have changed.

I'm still looking for a president that will end this idiotic drug war. That will be the sign of someone who is thinking. I don't do drugs. I'm just sick of a country where ideologues lurk. A kind country is a happy, and creative one. The rest of the world is going to pass us by, unless people stop doing what Gore did in that election. I was cursing him for not firing himself up. He was mister milktoast. It was not the media. Had he stood up and fired back, the media would have been unable to suppress him. I blame him and his campaign manager.

Can't you remember how burned out the general public was? The press? He had no fire to his support group, was abandoned by Daschle and Gephardt and most of the other Dems on the hill. He gave a soulful concession speech and now his speech and fervor I feel in reading his speech from yesterday has made me proud again to be American. Gore is a great American. I personally missed the speech--I was stuck in airports and flights all day yesterday and thank goodness for this forum. I have Cspan on now in the other room listening to Kerry and catching up on the latest here. I see a turn in the tide.
I am lookiong forward to watching a replay of the video tonight.

The Democratic Party leadership should have expressed its outrage at the dubious decision and publicly accepted the verdict. However, it should have used the issue to rally support within the party and worked quietly with Republican leadership to demand power-sharing in lieu of openly questioning the election's legitimacy.

In very close elections its not unusual for the winner to offer one or more Cabinet positions to the opposition as a token offering of cooperation. Clinton chose a Republican for Secretary of Defense. Democrats should have demanded equal treatment and complained loudly at Bush*s divisiveness.

If this misadministration had been under intense scrutiny from day one it could not have gotten away with the abominations it has leveled on us and the world.

I am now thinking that Al Gore should have been fighting the rightwingers tooth and nail during his eight years as Vice President.

The 1994 elections should have been a wakeup call.

He should have been prepared for GOP dirty tricks in the 2000 election.

when we and Gore phucking needed them????????