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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:07 PM
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I think Maureen Dowd is lying.
Edited on Wed May-26-04 11:07 PM by BurtWorm
In her column today, she claims that Kerry "people" want Gore to go away (because, she claims, they fear he will remind voters of the "wackadoo wing" of the Democratic Party). She then claims that many Democrats want Kerry to "zip it and go away."

As someone who is less than enthusiastic about Kerry's campaign so far, I don't want him to zip it at all. On the contrary, I want to see some fight in him. I want to see more Gore in him, not less.

I'd also like to see Dowd's evidence that she isn't lying like a cheap rug. I bet she doesn't have it.

Her bullshit is here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/27/opinion/27DOWD.html
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:09 PM
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1. she's such a wretch. Blegh.
She should be writing ad jingles, soap operas, and industrial training films. Not pontificating on politics...
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:10 PM
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2. Right, any criticism of the chimp gets you labeled as crazy....
Just saw some repuke scumbag saying the same thing on tweety's show.

OK, we're all crazy, whatever....but the chimp is still toast!
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:11 PM
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3. wackadoo wing?
You mean like snake handling and praying in tongues? Perhaps we should pity him for being cursed with a world class intellect.

Whatever happened to Tokyo Rose?
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:13 PM
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4. Gore is a fighter now
Edited on Wed May-26-04 11:14 PM by malatesta1137
that it doesn't matter. Gore was not a fighter in Florida. He knew he was the choice of the people there, made terrible mistakes in the recounts nightmare and then became afraid of telling the truth to the American: that Bush was an election-thief and a corporate criminal.

Kerry is tougher and, honestly, doesn't need Gore for shit. Gore is bad luck, brilliant, but jinxed.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:16 PM
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5. Gore has become a truth teller.
Kerry could use some of that. I honestly believe he's a little afraid of the truth, afraid it will lose him the margin of victory in those precious swing states.

On the other hand, I hear he's Mr. October. We'll see. It seems he doesn't have to worry about the Bush people getting good on him. They just keep sucking and sucking and sucking...
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:28 PM
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6. O.K. But I think Gore is saying now what Kerry can't say yet...
...as the candidate. Yeah, it kinda sucks, but that's politics, and politics DEFINITELY suck, but whatever it takes to get rid of this admin., I'm all for.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:35 AM
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18. That's it right there
See, when a candidate doesn't want to say something personally, often someone else will on the candidate's behalf. It's called a "surrogate." Maybe MoDo could look that word up if no one else is using the NYT dictionary.

I haven't read the column, but let me take a wild guess: The Kerry advisers who want Gore to shut up and go away are: (1) Not identified any more definitely than that; (2) Not quoted directly; and (3) Figments of MoDo's overheated imagination.

{Goes to check the column}

Bingo, bango, and bongo.

I give myself a 95. I should have known as well that she would use the locution "many Democrats", as in: "many Democrats fear {Kerry's} one of those supercilious/smarmy candidates (like Al Gore).

What was it the Times was talking about yesterday about its over-credulous reporting? I forget.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:36 AM
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19. 1) Right 2) Right 3) Right again.
:thumbsup:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:42 AM
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20. I think it is the role both he and Dean are currently playing
Edited on Thu May-27-04 09:42 AM by salin
right now - the both (still) garner some media attention.

So they can do the hard hitting stuff - while leaving Kerry to look more "Presidential" and above that level of fray/hitting/truth telling. They take the hits - and Kerry takes lighter hits (which he still takes) for being affiliated with them.

It works for both Gore and Dean (keeps them, and thus their voices) able to continue to receive media attention - and it works for Kerry.

Win (gore), Win (dean) and Win (kerry) situation.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:48 AM
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24. Right, right, right again again!
All this alleged worry about Gore and Kerry is a distraction from the main show which is the rapid disintegration of Bushism.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:54 AM
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29. wrong
He did fight in florida, by himself I might add. Kerry, amoung others, was nowhere in sight.
But thanks for reminding me why I dislike kerry. Dean and Gore are both in the process of saving Kerry's ass because he won't speak out for himself.

And what exactly were Gores mistakes in the recount. Please repeat some rightwing or Naderbot talking points to me (same thing)because people around here have an answer for all of them.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:29 PM
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7. Remember The DLC?
they still pull some pretty powerful strings and they HATE Al Gore and the left wing of the Democratic Party. That includes you, me and a whole bunch of democrats across this country.

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ferg Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:36 PM
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8. The media and Dowd hate Gore even more
Most likely, she completely invented the story about Kerry's advisors.

The media whores lied about Gore during the 2000 election. Why would they stop lying now?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:00 AM
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9. MoDo the DoDo is a lying whack-job
I learned more than I ever wanted to know about that Shakespearean female Iago during Dean's campaign.

Mo Do's purpose in life is to CAUSE TROUBLE FOR DEMOCRATS.

She is a plant and her pieces are absolute shit.

Like the previous poster said, she should be lucky to be writing commercial jingles.
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:50 AM
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10. I am sick of her
Edited on Thu May-27-04 01:28 AM by Scairp
I have seen it written time and again that this columnist is suppose to be "liberal". I have seen scant evidence of this of late. I have also seen fit to tell her so via email, however, no response has been forthcoming. Yes, Ms. Dowd is full of crap.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:52 AM
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11. MoDo suffers from a terminal case of cognitive dissonance
If the truth were a baseball bat and whacked her up the side of the head, I don't think she'd even feel it.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:57 AM
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12. Tomorrow I'll send her a nastygram. It's too late right now.
:boring:
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:12 AM
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13. Well, I think Gore gave the speech that I have been waiting for Kerry
to give....the first part of it, at least....the whole issue of the morality of this bunch, and what kind of country we are.

If he's supposed to be a leader, he should be able to give this speech.
Hell, Clark in his Alabama speech last week even touched on this sort of thing...what kind of country we want to be.

Gore is right, can't do specifics about Iraq now.......but, for Pete's sake, right now Kerry should establish himself as a moral counterweight to Bush........He needs to get to a higher level soon, because the opening is there to really challenge Bush at people's gut level on this whole Iraq mess.

Gore was brilliant.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:24 AM
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14. Gore was brilliant.
He said all the things that needed to be said. He even almost apologized for accepting the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:28 AM
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17. I agree Gloria...
It is a speech that a leader should give. Theyt should try to appeal to the goodness in our people - not the evil. When your opponents are so obviously immoral, you have a responsibility to speak up. Gore was the leader that took the bull by the horn.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:58 AM
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31. Couldn't agree more!
I think the window of time for Kerry is closing...fast!!! I wish he'd get ramped up for the Memorial Day weekend so they can discuss at their leisure during that time. Bush is going to be all over the media with free campaign exposure from the WWII memorial dedication. Symbolically, it helps to strengthen the image of 'strong' 'leader' 'war' 'triumph' messages for people. Then, it's on to summer activities while being content to move on normally viewing their world from a little sliver of life around them.

Marketing 101: To beat the competition you have to repeatedly tell people what you're selling and convince them you're a better value.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:25 AM
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15. are her lips moving?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:26 AM
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16. Sorry, Gore is hardly a far left-wing radical
_I'm_ not even a far left-wing radical, and I am a Green. *l*
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:43 AM
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21. What's the 'wackadoo' wing?
- It's the libeals...according to the RWingers and DLCers. It's anyone that raises their voice with passion and concern for America's future. It's anyone to the left of Lieberman and McCain. It's anyone tired of the shit being fed them by both the Republicans and the 'right wing of the Democratic party'.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:49 AM
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25. The weird thing is Dowd isn't even a winger or a DLCer.
She's just a, well, a wackadoo!
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:45 AM
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22. Boy the truth really makes em squirm doesn't it?
:shrug: We ain't going away so "get over it"
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:47 AM
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23. They are in deep denial....
And are still trying to justify their lies from the campaign of 2000.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:50 AM
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26. she's a poison pen
the woman is just ugly most of the time.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:51 AM
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27. She invented the NY TImes snarky style of political "reporting"
which has infected all of American political reporting.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:53 AM
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28. Lying implies knowledge
Her writing just indicates ignorance.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:58 AM
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30. Modo changes her views from day to day
just like Tweety
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