THEORY: Were the "intelligence officers" behind the Torture, Mercs?

Think about it. How better to stop an investigation dead in it's tracks but have the link between Busheviks and Torturers be Privatized Mercs beholden to no law?

Man, I feel dirty for having taking a dip in their Filthy Orwellian Bushevik/Bolshevik Tyrant's Minds, but there you have it.

Thoughts? Comments?

I'm wearing my :tinfoilhat:

NOTE to the Knee-Jerk Sneeering No-Debate-Having-Self-Appointed-Conspiracy-Theorist-"Debunker"-Squad (though they rarely do more than sneer and post one-liners, anyway): I am NOT saying this is what happened! I am positing an hypothesis and requesting intelligent comment and debate. SO BUZZ OFF, (COMMENT REDACTED)OLES! YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

I am asking for intelligent debate here, please, not sneering and flames and one-liners/zingers.

That has been the story from square one. No officers were giving orders. They were taking direction from the Mercs who told them to just keep doing what they were doing.

What mercs gave orders to Col Pappas or BGen Karpinski?

Why would they need to give her orders? The damn General wasn't doing the interrogations, she was doing the paperwork.

was NOT doing her job. She should have been court martialed.

is full of criminal cultists well known to law enforcement--imo they/PSYOPS gained control due to Cheney and Rumsfeld. Qui bono.

Or just Bad People in the military?

Man, I was an Air Force vet and I saw some Bad People and some Good People, like everywhere else.

There were people I thought would follow a criminal order unquestioningly and others I thought who would behave like Patriots no matter what.

Man, do you still buy that Basic Training BULLSHIT that EVERYONE in the Service is chock full of integrity?

No place is like that. Wake up. I'm not saying it's a sewer or anything, but there's good and bad folks in every place and walk of life.

Life's a mixed bag.

There was a written order that to that effect, giving MI authority there.

So how is it she wasn't doing her job? Are you suggesting that it was her job to intrude in someone else's responsibility and chain of command?

No Hessians would have even tried to give Commanders orders. Blown cover. They would have been "Intellignce Officers" (with all the correct papers, the benefit of the Crminals now being in charge is that all false documents are PERFECT) with free run of the prison, outside the chain of command of Karpinski or Pappas.

If they were Hessians they would have orders to avoid anyone who could take note of them or blow the whistle.

But now I am getting into major serious speculation about details which none of us know about.

But you asked and that's my best answer is it would have been something like that, with the Hessians BETWEEN the commanders and the grunts.

BTW, soldiers don't take orders from civilians not in their chain of command.

You might be operating under non-Rumsfeld rules. Welcome to the NEW ARMED FORCES, Rumsfeld edition - where flexibility, unnaccountability, and privatization RULE!

In case you haven't been paying attention to this splendid little war, soldiers HAVE been taking orders from contractors and even Judith Freakin' Miller.

but if they were giving orders that were obeyed by soldiers, then those soldiers were even more effed up than I thought. Even more reason that Karpinski and her officers should be court-martialed.

... for putting contractors everywhere, for giving them authority.

You might want to read up on this before claiming that contractors don't give orders.

Whatever military you're thinking about doesn't exist any more. Condolences.

No where does it say that CONTRACTORS were giving orders.

Ms Know-it-all.

And thanks for breaking the fact that I'm a "Ms" to me so gently - apparently I was very, very confused.

you provide the source. That's the way it normally works...

being: "BTW, soldiers don't take orders from civilians not in their chain of command."

That's a known fact...ever serve in the military? I'm sorry, if I insulted you, I assumed you were a woman, my mistake.

... but certainly NOT the reality in which the Rumsfeld Army operates, where Judith Miller can commandeer a WMD-hunt unit, where Halliburton can boss around soldiers assigned to guard them, where torture experts lend a helping hand.

Whatever misty, rose-tinted memory you may have of the military is a tad antiquated. Like bell bottoms.

And we do NOT obey orders from civilians not in the chain of command.

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The story goes (as far as I understand it) that the Mercs checked up on what they were up to and advised them to keep doing it. The missing link here of course is who initially gave them the order of what to do. The Mercs merely advised to keep on with the current order. They did not initiate the order. We still do not know the full story.

identification proided to them by Intelligence.

You would think that soldier, who was not known to you, was "legit" if he had ID.

You think it is a stretch of the imagination, IN THE LEAST, this scenario?

Not saying 100% it heppened, but it would be EASY!

I wondered about the Judith Miller story, so I googled this:

Judith Miller

New York Times reporter Judith Miller has played a key role in promoting both U.S. wars against Iraq.

(snip)
In June 2003, Washington Post reporter Howard Kurtz noted that "Miller played a highly unusual role in an Army unit assigned to search for dangerous Iraqi weapons, according to U.S. military officials, prompting criticism that the unit was turned into what one official called a 'rogue operation.' More than a half-dozen military officers said that Miller acted as a middleman between the Army unit with which she was embedded and Iraqi National Congress leader Ahmed Chalabi, on one occasion accompanying Army officers to Chalabi's headquarters, where they took custody of Saddam Hussein's son-in-law. She also sat in on the initial debriefing of the son-in-law, these sources say. Since interrogating Iraqis was not the mission of the unit, these officials said, it became a 'Judith Miller team,' in the words of one officer close to the situation."

(more)
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Judith_Miller

This is indeed bizarre, to say the least...

MICHAEL SETTLE, Chief Political Correspondent May 06 2004

THE US civilian accused of killing an Iraqi prisoner was still at work yesterday and doing a "damn fine job", according to his employers.

Executives from Virginia-based CACI International complained that they had still not been informed by their client, the US defence department, that their employee, working for the CIA as an interrogator, was involved in the abuse of inmates at Abu Ghraib jail near Baghdad.

Jack London, CACI president, said: "The fact remains we are simply not able to confirm in any fashion any CACI employee was involved in the abuse at Abu Ghraib prison."

Ken Johnson, the company's president of US operations, added: "The employee questioned is still on the site and still performing the duties there and, by all accounts from our understanding, is doing a damn fine job."
...
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/15501-print.shtml
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=535929

Pentagon Memo Warned on Army Contractors
May 7, 2004, 3:54 AM EDT

WASHINGTON -- A year before the Iraq invasion, the then-Army secretary warned his Pentagon bosses that there was inadequate control of private military contractors, which are now at the heart of controversies over misspending and prisoner abuse.
...
In a sign of continued problems with the tracking of contracts, Pentagon officials on Thursday acknowledged they have yet to identify which Army entity manages the multimillion-dollar contract for interrogators like the one accused in the Iraq prisoner abuse probe.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld also acknowledged his department hasn't completed rules to govern the 20,000 or so private security guards watching over U.S. officials, installations and private workers in Iraq.
...
"You've got thousands of people running around on taxpayer dollars that the Pentagon can't account for in any way," said Dan Guttman, a lawyer and government contracting expert at Johns Hopkins University. "Contractors are invisible, even at the highest level of the Pentagon."
...
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-iraq-contractors,0,6511655.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=537301

I saw an article about one contractor who worked in the prison and had been transfered elsewhere after the scandal blew. He hadn't been contacted about any disiplanary measures or anything.

do those articles say he was giving orders?

www.americanrevolution.org/hessindex.html

www.revolutionary-war.info/timeline/

www.britishbattles.com/battle-princeton.htm

The Mercs, being Bushevik Instruments with Full Approval, would have been masquerading as "Intellignece Officers" (hence my comment about the perfectly forged documents BECAUSE the Busheviks now have access to all the REAL DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES!

But as I said, this is all theorizing, I think (though hopefully some links are on the way corroborating some or all of it)

Mercs, yes. Hessians, no.

They damned sure ARE Hessians, used by King George, and I'm NOT speaking of their nationality!

If you have been following what the implicated soldiers have been saying about the torture, they felt subordinate to the mercenary intelligence officers and CIA hacks.

wise up to the new reality. karpinsky was doing what she was told. Several cell blocks were turned over to the MPs, who were them ordered around by the private Mercenary "intelligence".

Even MORE reason for Karpinski to be jailed.

Sure, she's got to pay - but what about the civilian contractors and the civilian DOD people that thought that was a good policy?

at ALL levels, must be punished.

... and those that implemented the policy in which they flourish.

So why not shine some light on those roaches as well?

There were what, two-three CACI contractors who did interrogations? What orders did THEY give?

then bush isn't responsible for his part in privitizing the military and opening us up to this mess in the first place.

buh bye :hi:

That's a new one.

Karpinski was following a signed, official order which gave control of the MPs in that prison to MI.

I agree with another poster's question: what's your hangup on Karpinski? (Since you assume it's an insult to have mistakenly called another poster's gender wrong, I worry about your hangup on seeing Karpinski hang.) She's a fucking scapegoat, just like the poor sap enlisted troops who are so far the only ones getting court martialed.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

didn't even wear official uniforms with names on them. Things got pretty murky about the chain of command, who was or wasn't military versus civilian, etc.

The Mercs were there as intell ops. They were working with the commands permission. Plausible deniability was the reason for this arraingement.

Keep in mind BFEE looks for deniability. They want this thing to snuff out at the grunt level. The Mercs are below the radar and can only get a hand slap. Thus the chain of command is broken.

Of course the doofus General went and blew it by actually showing up and watching some of the torture so now the chain is restablished.

Information overload.

Got any credible (well as credible as you could hope for in this degenerating era)links to bring me up to speed?

Mid-east expert, Patrick Lang questions why an army reservist who is an insurance exec is in charge of this investigation. He says there are many others better qualified.

the DOD? The mercenaries were hired by the Department of the Interior.

I wonder why. Does that mean they work for Gale Norton?

but working on a cookbook on the side for extra cash!

Smells like "plausible deniability". And an added Firewall between the Inner Circle of the Bushevik Politburo and indictments.

Maybe it's :tinfoilhat: but this theory is being BOLSTERED, not debunked.

Got a link to confirm that they are DOI, not DOD?

The actual interrogators accused of encouraging U.S. troops to abuse Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib jail were working for at least one company with extensive military and commercial contacts with Israel. The head of an American company whose personnel are implicated in the Iraqi tortures, it now turns out, attended an "anti-terror" training camp in Israel and, earlier this year, was presented with an award by Shaul Mofaz, the right-wing Israeli defense minister.

According to J.P. London's company, CACI International, the visit of London -- sponsored by an Israeli lobby group and including U.S. congressmen and other defense contractors -- was "to promote opportunities for strategic partnerships and joint ventures between U.S. and Israeli defense and homeland security agencies."

The Pentagon and the occupation powers in Iraq insist that only U.S. citizens have been allowed to question prisoners in Abu Ghraib but this takes no account of Americans who may also hold double citizenship. The once secret torture report by U.S. Gen. Antonio Taguba refers to "third country nationals" involved in the mistreatment of prisoners in Iraq.

Taguba mentions Steven Staphanovic and John Israel as involved in the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Staphanovic, who worked for CACI -- known to the U.S. military as "Khaki" -- was said by Taguba to have "allowed and/or instructed MPs (military police), who were not trained in interrogation techniques, to facilitate interrogations by 'setting conditions' ... he clearly knew his instructions equated to physical abuse." One of Staphanovic's co-workers, Joe Ryan -- who was not named in the Taguba report -- now says he underwent an "Israeli interrogation course" before going to Iraq.



http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0526-05.htm

finecraft

Abu Ghraib civilian interrogator's diary online


From Billmon (http://billmon.org ) - "Bernhard, a Whiskey Bar reader in Germany, has made a spectacular catch - or cache, I should say, since it comes from the bowels of the Google data base.

What he stumbled across is the diary of one Joe Ryan, a frequent caller and on-air personality at station KSTP, a conservative talk radio station in Minneapolis. More recently, Joe has been serving as a military interrogator at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and KSTP has been posting his diary on their web site."

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:XYYOCOWnu_8J:www.am1500.com/perso...



orthogonal

Here's a bit of that diary that gives me pause


From that diary link: "CW3 Dan Adkins said to the television, 'kill 1,000 for every hostage killed. No need to discriminate either.'"

Much as I wholeheartedly support our troops, I have to be honest and say that this idea of mass reprisals -- and without discrimination, which apparently means just rounding up insurgents or civilians -- for the deaths of American troops reminded me of this:

In some occupied areas in which the Nazis had to contend with well organized and active guerrilla units, they applied a simple rule: they would massacre one hundred nearby civilians for every German soldier killed; fifty for every one wounded. Often this was a minimum that might be doubled or tripled. They thus killed vast numbers of innocent peasants and townsfolk, possibly as many as 8,000 in Kraguyevats, 1,755 in Kraljevo, and overall 80,000 in Jajinci, to name just in a few places in Yugoslavia alone. Most executions were small in number, but day by day they added up. From an official German war diary: 16 December 1942, "In Belgrade, 8 arrests, 60 Mihailovich supporters shot;" 27 December, "In Belgrade, 11 arrests, 250 Mihailovich supporters shot as retaliation." A German placard from Belgrade announced that the Nazis shot fifty hostages in retaliation for the dynamiting of a bridge. On 25 May 1943 the Nazis shot 150 hostages in Kraljevo; in October they shot 150 hostages in Belgrade; fifty hostages in Belgrade in August 1943; 150 Serbs at Cacak in October; and so on. In Greece, as another example, the Nazis may have burned and destroyed as many as 1,600 villages each with populations of 500 to 1,000 people, no doubt massacring many of the inhabitants beforehand. Overall, the Nazis thus slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Greece, and France; and millions overall in Poland and the Soviet Union.


(from: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM )






NewYorkerfromMass


http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=888

from: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&ie=ascii&q=torture+Iraq+p...





Nordic65

Civilian interrogator at your service...


Wow, talk about spilling their beans...


#1 - Evidence from the horses mouth. No mention of any military involvement thou.

"I worked the guy from the Ar Ramadi area again tonight. I got home about 3:00am after writing reports and putting together the associations with the others in his group. It was great because my guy knows where the forged citizenship papers are made and by who and the real names and origins of the other detainees captured with him. It is hard for the other guys to lie when I already know all about their backgrounds, but they sure are trying."


#2 - Anyone associated with this prisoner can just log on the net and take the necessary precautions - very unprofessional and bordering on giving information to enemy. Of course he's a civilian and probably cannot be charged with treason.

"My smuggler friend just keeps on talking. I have nick-named him Han Solo since he is a smuggler extraordinaire. I have received information regarding the entire network from start to finish on how foreign fighters are coming into Iraq; who is paying for it; how they communicate; how they get their weapons once here; and how they move to their target locations. This will never make the papers, but it sure is exciting to know the information."


THIS IS BAD!

Tinoire

About these 3rd party nationals



<snip>

Speculation that "John Israel" may be an intelligence cover name has fueled speculation whether this individual could have been one of a number of Israeli interrogators hired under a classified contract. Because U.S. citizenship and documentation thereof are requirements for a U.S. security clearance, Israeli citizens would not be permitted to hold a Top Secret clearance. However, dual U.S.-Israeli citizens could have satisfied Pentagon requirements that interrogators hold U.S. citizenship and a Top Secret clearance. Although the Taguba report refers twice to Israel as an employee of Titan, the company claims he is one of their sub-contractors. CACI stated that one of the men listed in the report "is not and never has been a CACI employee" without providing more detail. A U.S. intelligence source revealed that in the world of intelligence "carve out" subcontracts such confusion is often the case with "plausible deniability" being a foremost concern.

In fact, the Taguba report does reference the presence of non-U.S. and non-Iraqi interrogators at Abu Ghraib. The report states, "In general, US civilian contract personnel (Titan Corporation, CACI, etc), third country nationals, and local contractors do not appear to be properly supervised within the detention facility at Abu Ghraib."

The Pentagon is clearly concerned about the outing of the Taguba report and its references to CACI, Titan, and third country nationals, which could permanently damage U.S. relations with Arab and Islamic nations. The Pentagon's angst may explain why the Taguba report is classified Secret No Foreign Dissemination.

<snip>

During his testimony before the Senate Armed Service Committee, Rumsfeld was pressed upon by Senator John McCain about the role of the private contractors in the interrogations and abuse. McCain asked Rumsfeld four pertinent questions, ". . . who was in charge? What agency or private contractor was in charge of the interrogations? Did they have authority over the guards? And what were the instructions that they gave to the guards?" When Rumsfeld had problems answering McCain's question, Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, the Deputy Commander of the U.S. Central Command, said there were 37 contract interrogators used in Abu Ghraib. The two named contractors, CACI and Titan, have close ties to the Israeli military and technology communities. Last January 14, after Provost Marshal General of the Army, Major General Donald Ryder, had already uncovered abuse at Abu Ghraib, CACI's President and CEO, Dr. J.P. (Jack) London was receiving the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah's Albert Einstein Technology award at the Jerusalem City Hall, with right-wing Likud politician Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and ultra-Orthodox United Torah Judaism party Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski in attendance. Oddly, CACI waited until February 2 to publicly announce the award in a press release. CACI has also received grants from U.S.-Israeli bi-national foundations.

Titan also has had close connections to Israeli interests. After his stint as CIA Director, James Woolsey served as a Titan director. Woolsey is an architect of America's Iraq policy and the chief proponent of and lobbyist for Ahmad Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. An adviser to the neo-conservative Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs, Project for the New American Century, Center for Security Policy, Freedom House, and Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, Woolsey is close to Stephen Cambone, the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, a key person in the chain of command who would have not only known about the torture tactics used by U.S. and Israeli interrogators in Iraq but who would have also approved them. Cambone was associated with the Project for the New American Century and is viewed as a member of Rumsfeld's neo-conservative "cabal" within the Pentagon.

<snip>

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen05102004.html

Steven Staphanovic we were talking about him before but his name was spelled differently and some did not know if it was the same person. Would you happen to know another spelling or the thread from awhile back? There was some good stuff there.

Which is why I'm giving this thread a shameless KICK!

:kick:

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11776879&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=8

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11776865&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=8

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11776867&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=8

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11776869&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=8

Diary of an interrogator: After a tough day's questioning


Diary of an interrogator: After a tough day's questioning, a relaxing evening of jail-roof golf

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
09 May 2004



Among the golfers is a civilian accused by a US Army report of being "directly or indirectly responsible for the abuse" at the prison. The diary also reveals the pressure on interrogators and the extremely right-wing views of some.

Joe Ryan, a former Green Beret working in Abu Ghraib for CACI International, a defence IT contractor, had been keeping the diary for a conservative talk-show radio station in Minneapolis, KSTP 1500. The diary was posted on the station's website until, Mr Ryan said, military authorities requested its removal. On 25 April, Mr Ryan wrote: "We have foreign fighters from Morocco, Syria, Jordan, and other countries detained here. They are not sponsored by their respective countries to come here, but it is due to their individual choices, be it religious or stupidity ... I got to take the rest of the day off after our long booth time. This gave us a nice evening after dinner to head to the roof and play a round of golf.

"Scott Norman, Jeff Mouton, Steve Hattabaugh, Steve Stefanowicz, and I all took turns trying to hit balls over the back wall and on to the highway. Since the club is a left-handed 3 iron, I had an unfair advantage and missed a dump truck by only about 10 feet ... We do what we can to make it fun here."

Mr Stefanowicz, 35, a former naval reserve officer also employed by Arlington-based CACI International as an interrogator, became a reservist in the aftermath of the terror attacks of September 2001. A CACI official said last week that Mr Stefanowicz was "by all accounts doing a damn fine job". But Major General Antonio Taguba, who carried out an investigation into the abuses at Abu Ghraib, believed Mr Stefanowicz was one of the people "either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib".
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=519434



seemslikeadream

Joe in his own words


Anyway, here's Joe in his own words:

For those of you who do not know my military and civilian background, let me give a little bio to maybe clarify how I look at things while I am here.
I was in Air Force Junior ROTC in high school and went to University of Colorado for two years on Air Force ROTC scholarship. I decided that Aerospace Engineering was not for me and left college.

I enlisted into the Army as a PFC for an interrogator position with an airborne slot. My language wish list consisted of Russian, German, or Spanish. In the army's omnipotence, they chose to send me to the Foreign Service Institute in Washington, DC to learn Swahili. My first assignment was with 3rd Special Forces Group where I was in-processed a whole 13 days prior to going on my first deployment with a team to Uganda. I have spent time in 10 African countries with the teams and earned my "S" identifier after completion of selection and qualifying course for weapons specialist (18B), but was never released by MI branch since I was one of two Swahili linguists in the army, so carried the 18B as a secondary specialty. I went through the DOD Strategic Debriefer Course, Israeli Interrogation Course, and the SCAN Course. In 1994, I went into Haiti with two SF teams into La Cayes on the southern peninsula. After securing our objective, we were informed the invasion was canceled. This meant no further reinforcements for 28 days and forever resentful to the philandering president. In Haiti I performed more than 80 interrogations and conducted the force protection assessments.

Since MI Branch would not release me, I reclassified to 98C (Signals Intelligence Analyst) so I could advance my career. So a Swahili linguist was sent to Korea for a year upon completion of the school. The blessing is that I met my wonderful wife in 98C school and spent the year in Korea with her. I was in charge of the two Trojan Spirit systems for the 2nd Infantry Division.

Needing a desk to try on for size, I went to work for the National Security Agency for the last 17 month of my active duty. As the only military person in the department and the only one to have spent time in Eastern Africa, I had four civilians making MUCH more money than I working for me during the height of the Sudanese civil war.
more
http://billmon.org/archives/001450.html



".....In order to avoid going back to active duty, I signed on with a defense contractor and am now over here as an interrogator."

LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/services/site/premium/access-registered.interce ...


Octafish

3. Right wing ideologue. Tortures for a living. Plays reckless golf.


The entire man's life is devoted to killing.

Plus, as a civilian contractor, he gives his boss "plausible deniability."

From the article:

Elsewhere he says: "'Wild' Bill Armstrong is one of our interrogators. Bill is married with five kids and a devout Christian, father, and husband ... Politically, Bill makes (the right wing radio host) Rush Limbaugh look like a flaming liberal."

Thanks for finding this article, seemslikeadream! It wasn't in my Sunday paper today.

These fellows are the same as the NAZIs.

"The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were." — John Fitzgerald Kennedy



seemslikeadream

text from the memory hole - JCMach1


JCMach1

5. Here is the text from the memory hole


http://www.thesyndrome.com/archives/00000856.htm



Octafish
The boy's a right-wing NUTJOB...


... raised on Reagan. The guy makes clear his hatreds, even when they're superior officers. He also blames the media for distorting the picture -- just like Ollie and 'Nam. "We'd a won if it weren't for the pictures in the living rooms." This stuff needs be archived. From the link -- one entry of MANY:

"Meanwhile, While We Were Torturing: Joe Ryan's Iraq Diary (from Abu Ghraib)"

EXCERPT...

I ask that everyone say a prayer or two over the next 48 hours for PFC Keith Maupin, KBR employee Thomas Hamill, and for the Marines in our area. God willing, all three will make the media and give a good story to report for a change. Enough said about that.

Work is fast and furious, but we are more productive right now than we have been since I have been here. Some intelligence things are really coming together and could shift a few things to our advantage, at least west and north of Baghdad. The Al Fallujah situation is being guided by results from the intelligence gleaned from here as well as at their division cage. We are making progress on rooting out foreign fighters as well as those individuals that are helping/hiding them.

Christine Chaney is another of our three CACI females here. She left the army last fall and was actually in the 202nd MI BN that we are working with here. Christine is tall like my sister-in-law, so my posture always improves like when I am around my sister-in-law. She also was in Afghanistan last year with the 202nd and is a fluent Farsi and Pashto linguist in addition to being an experienced interrogator. It is impressive because the three women we have here are all former army and hard chargers. They are more professional and tougher than most of the female soldiers here.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thesyndrome.com/archives/00000856.htm



nolabels

No need for stories we have some real ones




YOU GET EXCATLY WHAT IT SAYS IN THE BROCHURE !

INFACT YOU’LL LIKE IT SO MUCH

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Nordic65

Here is the diary...


http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:XYYOCOWnu_8J:www.am1500.com/perso...


seemslikeadream

A few revealing entries from his diary - daleo


daleo A few revealing entries from his diary - hard to read this stuff


Here he is advocating genocide and murdering journalists:

"We watched the Al Jazeera footage of the two American soldiers that are being held hostage. CW3 Dan Adkins said to the television, "kill 1,000 for every hostage killed. No need to discriminate either." We know they were captured right down the road from our location. We also know they are still in the general area. The first thing that needs to happen is to stake every Al Jazeera reporter in the middle of the desert and let the buzzards have them. "

Here he describes a "contractor" who forgets she is not in charge of the soldiers she works with:

"Berryl Jackson is one of the three females we have here. She is a retired Chief Warrant Officer 3. To show you what a small world it is, she was my interrogation instructor when I went through the school 13 years ago. BJ is from Costa Rica originally and is a real character. She sometimes forgets that she is no longer in the military and is not in charge of the soldiers that she works with, but she is a wealth of knowledge and one heck of an interrogator."

Here he is, keeping the Iraqi Governing Council in the dark:

Today was a short day. There were six of us that had to come in early and conduct long interrogations to ensure that certain detainees were only able to be seen, but not talked to. The Iraqi Governing Council came and looked through our mirrors into the booths to see some of the foreign fighters we have detained. They wanted to talk to them and film to show the international media, but we refused, due to not being able to interrupt interrogations. They were much more patient than we thought they would be so they tried to wait us out. Five and a half hours in the booth was a long time, but we finally outlasted them. The IGC left with only the satisfaction that we have foreign fighters from Morocco, Syria, Jordan, and other countries detained here.

Here is a pretty chilling comment given what we now know:

"Christine Chaney is another of our three CACI females here. She left the army last fall and was actually in the 202nd MI BN that we are working with here. Christine is tall like my sister-in-law, so my posture always improves like when I am around my sister-in-law. She also was in Afghanistan last year with the 202nd and is a fluent Farsi and Pashto linguist in addition to being an experienced interrogator. It is impressive because the three women we have here are all former army and hard chargers. They are more professional and tougher than most of the female soldiers here."

http://www.thesyndrome.com/archives/00000856.htm


starroute

More on Steven Stefanowicz


He comes from the next town down the road from me, and the local papers have been full of the story. Here are a couple of links:

http://www.pottstownmercury.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11614603&BRD=1674 ...

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_2abusemay08,0,2804243.story?col ...



seemslikeadream Telford abuzz about man ID'd in abuse report


Telford abuzz about man ID'd in abuse report

By Pervaiz Shallwani
Of The Morning Call
May 9, 2004


Steven Stefanowicz played volleyball and basketball and belonged to student government groups at Souderton Area High School in the late 1980s. Four years ago he joined the Naval Reserve, and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, he volunteered for active duty and served in the Middle East.

Now, the 34-year-old from Franconia Township, near Telford, has been named as one of four men who might be responsible for the humiliation and attempted murder of Iraqi prisoners inside the


Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad.

The allegations are outlined in an Army report that details soldier abuse at the prison between October and December. It lists near-death beatings, electric torture and threats to rape male Iraqi detainees, and mentions a photo of a woman soldier holding a dog chain or strap that's tied around a naked detainee's neck.
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_2abusemay08,0,2804243.story?col


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Lt. Col. Jerry Phillabaum Steven Stephanowicz


Under suspicion

BETH COHEN , Staff Writer 05/08/2004

Lt. Col. Jerry Phillabaum of Snyder Road in Towamencin was suspended from his duties as commander of the 320th Military Battalion on Jan. 17‚ 2004‚ according to a U.S. Army report on the investigation of the 800th Military Police Brigade by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba.
Also named is civilian intelligence contractor Steven Stefanowicz‚ who has been cited in various published reports although there is a discrepancy in the spelling of his last name‚ with it also listed as Stephanowicz.


The U.S. Navy’s Chief of Naval Information Office at the Pentagon in Arlington‚ Va.‚ on Thursday said they had no record of a Steven Stephanowicz‚ but did have records showing that a Steven Anthony Stefanowicz enlisted in the U.S. Navy on Feb. 20‚ 1998.

He became an Intelligence Specialist 3rd Class‚ U.S. Naval Reserve‚ on Feb. 8‚ 2002‚ according to information supplied by Lt. Mike Kafka‚ Navy spokesman. Stefanowicz also received numerous awards‚ ribbons and medals during his service.


Page 29 of Taguba’s 34-page report‚ available at on the Internet at www.politrix.org/foia/iraq/taguba/html ‚ states that Steven Stephanowicz‚ contract U.S. civilian interrogator‚ CACI‚ 205th Military Intelligence Brigade‚ should be officially reprimanded‚ terminated from his Army job‚ and that his his security clearance be revoked based on the following allegations:

“Made a false statement to the investigating team regarding the locations of his interrogations‚ the activities during his interrogations‚ and his knowledge of abuses.”

“Allowed/and or instructed MPs‚ who were not trained in interrogation techniques‚ to facilitate interrogations by ‘setting conditions’ which were neither authorized and in accordance with applicable regulations/policy. He clearly knew his instructions equated to physical abuse.”

http://www.thereporteronline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11615058&BRD=227...


saltara

propaganda and/or...


PR literature touting the money to be made "playing golf" and working as an interrogator for the likes of CACI?

"I got to take the rest of the day off after our long booth time. This gave us a nice evening after dinner to head to the roof and play golf." (quote from Whiskey Bar blog - link below)

"Like his military masters, Ryan is also obsessed with the idea that 'foreign fighters' are responsible for the insurgency in Iraq.... In Joe's world, Fallujah is a city held hostage by foreign terrorists - even though the aftermath of the Marines' withdrawal brought jubilant victory celebrations in the streets.... All this raises the unsettling idea that the prisoners at Abu Ghraib were abused and tortured simply so the idiots at the top of this lunatic enterprise could have their own pet theories falsely confirmed."

http://billmon.org/archives/001457.html

Also, here's an interesting quote to ponder from a right-wing source whose name came up in an article written by Justin Raimondo ("The S&M War" on his site antiwar.com). In an article from October 24, 2003, David Leo Gutmann, a professor of Psychology and Behavioral Sciences at "North-Western university Medical School, in Chicago" writes:

"If we are to defeat terror, a kind of regime change is required: on our campuses, in our press, and in Hollywood. And responses to that need, previously silenced voices are being heard. Organizations like Students for Academic Freedom, FIRE, Campus Watch, ACTA and the National Association of Scholars are fighting the good fight for free speech on our thought-policed campuses; and networks like Fox News are providing pulpits for informed conservative opinion on TV. Perhaps most hopeful of all, a lively and uninhibited blogger's Samizdat offers new internet outlets, unmonitored by the Thought Police, for a new generation of gifted commentators who gleefully and intelligently refute the pious orthodoxies of the pro-jihad Left."

"Shame, Honor and Terror in the Middle East"
by David Leo Gutmann
http://frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=10489

Would Joe's blog do the trick? When did Joe's blog first appear and how widely was it read, quoted, anyone know?

(For more on Gutmann's pet theories and their appearance in a study published by the military, see "The S&M War" on antiwar.com)




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Steve Stefanowicz


I got to take the rest of the day off after our long booth time. This gave us a nice evening after dinner to head to the roof and play a round of golf. Scott Norman, Jeff Mouton, Steve Hattabaugh, Steve Stefanowicz, and I all took turns trying to hit balls over the back wall and onto the highway. Since the club is a left handed 3 iron, I had an unfair advantage and missed a dump truck by only about ten feet. Not bad since the highway is about 220 yards. We do what we can to make it fun here.

http://www.thesyndrome.com/archives/00000856.htm


http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=275 .


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CHAIN OF COMMAND (Sy Hersh New Yorker 5/17)


by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
How the Department of Defense mishandled the disaster at Abu Ghraib.
Issue of 2004-05-17
Posted 2004-05-09
In his devastating report on conditions at Abu Ghraib prison, in Iraq, Major General Antonio M. Taguba singled out only three military men for praise. One of them, Master-at-Arms William J. Kimbro, a Navy dog handler, should be commended, Taguba wrote, because he “knew his duties and refused to participate in improper interrogations despite significant pressure from the MI”—military intelligence—“personnel at Abu Ghraib.” Elsewhere in the report it became clear what Kimbro would not do: American soldiers, Taguba said, used “military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.”

Taguba’s report was triggered by a soldier’s decision to give Army investigators photographs of the sexual humiliation and abuse of prisoners. These images were first broadcast on “60 Minutes II” on April 28th. Seven enlisted members of the 372nd Military Police Company of the 320th Military Police Battalion, an Army reserve unit, are now facing prosecution, and six officers have been reprimanded. Last week, I was given another set of digital photographs, which had been in the possession of a member of the 320th. According to a time sequence embedded in the digital files, the photographs were taken by two different cameras over a twelve-minute period on the evening of December 12, 2003, two months after the military-police unit was assigned to Abu Ghraib.

more at
http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040517fa_fact2


http://newyorker.com/online/slideshows/pop/?040510onslpo_prison_02?fal...



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Joe Ryan is likely a witness to

maybe an accomplice to multiple felonies. He should be arrested and taken into custody as soon as he enters the U.S



JCMach1

Link to the almost complete WEBLOG


http://www.thesyndrome.com/archives/00000856.htm



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=542297

was a legal problem. It appears they look for legal "Loopholes" to rationalize it acceptable. Hence the legalese speak language used in their documents.

These guys are too clever for their own good, they are so caught up in themselves, they don't even see it, that what they were doing is fundamentally wrong and counter productive not only to themselves, but to us Americans and the Nation.

For that, every last one of them should be put on the Hall of Shame in 7 Major Cities in America. Kerry should initiate both Halls, One for Fame/Heros and one for Traitors/ Shameful conduct to the Nation.

The campaign to insult every person in the universe, began by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged. :)

called Ar-thur-den-U to insult.

He was going to call it a 'pretentious twit'."

:evilgrin:

:hi: Selwynn!