Why We Attacked Iraq?

I remember reading an article from a college professor that was written in 2001. He said we needed to attack and take control of the oil in Iraq because Saddam was going to sell it in Euros not dollars and it would ruin our economy. Did anyone read it or here anything like it? I have heard a little about it, but not a lot and found it very interesting.

He can't sell oil in Euro's because it's not traded in Euro's, it's traded in dollars.

He was however slowly converting his monetary system to be backed by the Euro. There were other reasons to go in aside from this however.

Well I guess I stand somewhat corrected. Though as a globally traded commodity it has a dollar value basis. So whatever the price of the of a barrel would be paid for in a equivalent ammount of eruo's. Either way it's still the same price.

is why oil is so high. It is not this high in Euro0pe becuase the euro has gained against the dollar. That is why the prooducers have been running the price up.

Very interseting. I think this was a main reason for the war. We only want their society free if it benifits us.

Maybe you could share some of those other reasons with us.

Matt Simons, Peak Oil. (This could go on for pages, but I suspect that they did listen him and that was a reason they went in.)
Competition with the newly launched Nilesat
Destabilising the Euro
Securing a permanent military hold on the region (PNAC)
Benefits our military industrial complex
Distracts people from failing economy
Allows great cover for pushing thru Patriot 2 (He signed it the same morning Saddam was caught)
It puts a crimp in China and Indias economic expansion
It helps to make the rapture occur.
To draw away terrorists from the mainland and give them a brilliant visibly lit up target to attack.
It's centrally located next to every major remaining oil resource on Earth, The Caucusus, Saudi Arabia, and Iran.
They tried to kill his daddy (Hey I'd honestly want some payback too.)
I'm sure there's more, but I've got a job interview to go out to.

I guess it's not going to happen.

???? honestly I can not keep up with the explanation de jour.
Hated our freedom?
Clear and Present Danger ?
Was using torture on its citizens and we had to resuce them?
War rude to the UN?
Easier to go after than Osama ?

or was it oil?

or a chance for Chimpie to be a war president?

I have not clue why the war happened. It only appears lost, only the leadership won't want to admit it yet.

This war was illegal and whoever supported it was misled, even my husband was at first. I am glad he saw the light. Killing this many humans is horrible no matter the reason and I hate that is was done in the USA's name.

:nuke:

or mine either. The accountability lies at the feet of people who are much wiser and better informed than we could ever be. Hey, when I travel abroad, I tell people I am Canadian from a town in the northwest called West Muldoun... ( the brown toast capitol of the world ) .

This is almost like a Greek tradgedy. Will the Chimp put out his eyes, if they ever open and he realizes how he was used to commit abominable crimes?
How can he EVER atone for this? Maybe it will end like Don Giovani ?

This is a case study in corruption and its consequences - following a falsely justified war doctrine and THEN taking a stance that the Ends Justifies the Means.
How stupid is this?

There is going to be Karma. I am glad your husband recognized the truth about this war. I bet privately a lot more Bush supporters are coming to the same conclusions and even if not, then at least they can be appalled at how poorly executed this fiasco is.

What on earth are we getting out of this mess? We're still trucking in petroleum from Kuwait - talk about coals to Newcastle! Saddam a bad man? We do business with people far worse than him. And the Iraqis can't seem to find any of the Flower Petal Collection Centers run by the U.S. Army. Almost $200 billion down the drain, thousands dead, thousands more maimed, grieving and hopeless. What was it all about again? Empire? It's the sorriest fucking empire I ever heard of.

here is my theory...

This war is for the control of America...firstly by keeping Bush and Republicans in office via "wag the dog" tactics, until the other aspects of the plan are effected.

These other plans are:

Patriot acts and other freedom limiting laws...so that when they take control of America, the only way it can be stopped is through "illegal" means.

Draining of the national budget into private companies...war is always profitable for corporations, especially in a deregulated environment where there is less oversight. Haliburton and others are getting all of the nations tax money dumped right into their coffers, and when the takeover happens, the American people will be broke while Halliburton can hire all of the mercenaries in the world. There is already some of this happening in Iraq, where the corporate security is better armed and armored than the American soldiers. Also there have been a large part of the homeland security budget going to oil companies so they can secure their headquarters in the US, while the cities and states are still hurting for needed funds for security. They are digging in for the coming battle.

It is partially about oil, in that they don't want other developed and growing nations to have access to it when plan b, true global hegemony, is put in action. China is using oil in an exponentially growing rate, because they are going through a infrastructure growth, which strangely is because they are the manufacturing center for the world now. To continue this growth they will need oil, if they can't get it, they will always be weaker than the future US neo-con empire.

Basically it's a typical senario that bad sci-fi and good cyberpunk authors, along with Dwight Eisenhower, have been warning us about for a long time, corporations are becoming more powerful than governments, and are planning to take over.

Sounds nutty, yes, but this is the only way I can see that the actions the neo-cons are taking could possibly benefit themselves. I wish it was that they were just stupid, but I think it is more than stupidity.

PB

because Bush's actions have caused the Euro to be doing so well today, and may eventually be the catalyst that causes the transfer of oil in Euros.

PB

1. Peak oil
2. Dollar hegemony

Don't let anyone tell you any different.

No WMD's
No Al Q - Saddam connnection
No 9/11 connection
No Threat to the US or its interests
No Democracy gonna happen

Can you explain what those two mean. I am still learning about this stuff.

but basically it means that oil is running out (the glass is about half full right now).
The US economy is dependednt on oil. The US has almost no oil left.
Iraq has the second largest known reserves of oil (Saudi Arabia is #1)... yummy!

As for Dollar hegemony, this is a good start: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1676494&mesg_id=1676855&page=

is most likely the primary reason for attacking Iraq. Financing the US debt is completely dependent on the oil trade. The oil trade in dollars. The current trade is denominated in dollars thanks to a deal we cut with OPEC in 1974. The seller decides what currency to accept. There are no "currency police" enforcing trade in dollars. As long as trade is in dollars, excess liquidity is drained into US Treasury instruments. i.e., all oil profits end up in our Treasury. Right now we need approximately $2 billion each DAY, in T-Bill sales to stay afloat. Should the trade switch to Euros, as is currently being threatened by OPEC, our currency would collapse immediately. It was Saddam's switchover, or more accurately, the fear that Iraq would start a trend, that I believe triggered the war.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner! :toast:

we will have a de facto seat on OPEC, to create a "wedge"....

I wanted to make sure I got it correct before I talk to my on the fence friends. I knew from the start there was more to this war than what was said. What a sad thing to happen.

I don't know about you but i'm just glad we are enjoying such low gas prices now. One good thing that came of the war!
urgh,...wait... hmmmm

At least we have an intelligent President with a grasp on the english language...
ugh...wait....hmmmm
At least we live in a Democracy where our contistituional rights are valued. urgh... uh.... i give up.