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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:35 AM
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Help me debunk this lie - WSJ: Saddam's Files Show 'Direct' 9/11 Link
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/27/100047.shtml


Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:53 a.m. EDT
WSJ: Saddam's Files Show 'Direct' 9/11 Link

Newly uncovered files examined by U.S. military investigators in Baghdad show what is being described as "a direct link" between Saddam Hussein's elite Fedayeen military unit and the terrorist attacks on America on Sept. 11, 2001.

Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, who attended a January 2000 al-Qaida summit in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, where the 9/11 attacks were planned, is listed among the officers on three Fedayeen rosters reviewed by U.S. probers, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.

"Our government sources, who have seen translations of the documents, say Shakir is listed with the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel," the paper said.

Though the Journal doesn't mention it, Saddam's Fedayeen has been identified in previous reports as the group that conducted 9/11-style hijack training drills on a parked Boeing 707 airliner at the south Baghdad terrorist camp Salman Pak.

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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:36 AM
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1. I don't have a subscription to the WSJ
Edited on Fri May-28-04 04:37 AM by DaveSZ
If anyone could search their site to see whether or not newsmax made that part up as well...

;)
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:39 AM
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2. Love THAT phrase: "Though the Journal doesn't mention it..."
NOW all we have to do is explain how Saddam got George Bush to take a long vacation during August 2001, and made NORAD fail to scramble jets on 9/11.
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KuroKensaki Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:40 AM
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3. We have some operatives in Al Qaeda too..
And probably this Shakir guy was doing the same thing--infiltrating them as an enemy spy.

Al Qaeda and Iraq hated each other. Despised each other. Hussein was #2 on Osama's list.

Hussein was secular. Osama is religious.

The closest proven 'link' between Iraq and Al Qaeda was that group (Ansar al Islam, right?) they found in Kurdish territory that shared some members with AQ.

Not that Hussein had any control over Kurdish territory.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:43 AM
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4. Well it is time all turned up. and who will believe it?
The Right Wing who thinks Kerry is keeping them all in his Beacon Hill Home.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:45 AM
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5. Chalabi/Cheney circle
Edited on Fri May-28-04 04:53 AM by gottaB
There are two related sources for the Salman Pak story, both promoted through Chalabi.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/khodada.html

Check the fine print:


(Editor's Note: Although U.S. officials acknowledge terrorists were trained at Salman Pak, they say it is unlikely that these activities were related to the Sept. 11 attacks. It should also be noted that the two defectors interviewed for this report have been brought to FRONTLINE's attention by members of the Iraqi National Congress (INC), a dissident organization seeking to overthrow Saddam Hussein.)



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On Edit, found a counterclaim:

http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_6_63/ai_110459876


Shortly after 9/11, the INC furiously disseminated stories of Iraqi dissidents chiming a Hussein connection to al-Qaeda. One dissident, Sabah Khodada, claimed he saw a commercial jet parked in a terrorist training camp near Baghdad, Iraq. The CIA flatly rejected the claim. The location in question was actually a counter-terrorism training camp; during the Iran-Iraq war it had provided counter-terrorism training to the Iraqi military to help it thwart pro-Iranian airplane hijackings. Another dissident who the Pentagon claimed had trained at an al-Qaeda camp in Iraq told CIA officials he had never done such a thing--he had trained at a nonterrorist Fedayeen camp.

Claims that Hussein continued to possess weapons of mass destruction were similarly discredited; the now-murdered defector Hussein Kamal, formerly a general in the Iraqi army, admitted Hussein had produced weapons of mass destruction, but Chalabi's neoconservative allies neglected to mention that he also said they were destroyed after the 1991 Gulf War. An anonymous ex-intelligence official told Hersh, "One of the reasons I left was my sense that they were using the intelligence from the CIA and other agencies only when it fit their agenda. They didn't like the intelligence they were getting .... They were so crazed and so far out and so difficult to reason with .... Dogmatic, as if they were on a mission from God."



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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:19 AM
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6. Did a Google search on this story - only World Net Daily, and News Max
NADA from the Wall Street Journal. Both News Max and WND are rightwing tabloids who have a history of fabricating news stories. I googled (news search) Saddam's Files, then Fedayeen 9/11 connection, and finally "Wall Street Journal, Saddam's Files" Abosultely NADA!

Newsweek had a story showing that Saddam had a mole in the US Government. Wonder why News Max, and World Net didn't report this part??

I can't find ANYTHING on a Wall Street Journal Story about this except from the above two "sources". If this had REALLY been in the WSJ, it would be ALL over the place.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:25 AM
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7. Isn't the real point...
...that there was no evidence BEFORE Bush* invaded Iraq? Since when do we slaughter people and THEN look for evidence of wrongdoing?
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:41 AM
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8. I would love to know what is "really" in
Saddam's files - who has them?
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