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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:32 PM
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Laura Rozen: Source Confirms Chalabi Suspected of Passing "Signals" Intel
Edited on Fri May-28-04 03:33 PM by BurtWorm
For anyone following the story, this is HUGE! Thanks to salin for bringing this Laura Rozen's blog to my attention. Rozen is right on top of the story and is keeping her readers right there with her.


http://www.warandpiece.com/


Just got a very interesting unsolicited call from an occasional contact who knows some of these players pretty well. Someone one would more than expect to be extremely friendly to their positions as well. And he told me that:

1) The charges against Chalabi passing highly sensitive US intelligence to Iranian intelligence are true.

2) It involves a piece or pieces of signals intelligence. Intelligence involving how the US listens to Iranian communications, who it taps, bugging, etc.

3) The evidence of Chalabi's intelligence breach came to the US government from a European government. The proof was given to the US by a European government/intelligence agency.

The timing of Tony Blair's visit with Bush in Washington April 16, 2004 is looking more and more interesting. Since mid-April seems to be the time that decisively turned the White House against Chalabi. Made it turn on a dime.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:35 PM
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1. Exposing sigint information?
Oh. That's bad.

That's probably as bad as exposing Valerie Plame and her network.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:36 PM
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2. Does this mean agents were exposed?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:39 PM
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5. Maybe
More likely, it means we won't be getting any good intelligence out of Iran for the next few years until we come up with other ways of obtaining it.

It's the equivalent of telling someone, "psst! your phone is being tapped, here's what they've found out, and here's how they did it."

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:41 PM
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6. Correct, Though it's Always Possible
Edited on Fri May-28-04 03:42 PM by Beetwasher
Some of the information was obtained directly by assetts and passed on and then there's the assetts who install devices etc. that may have been exposed...
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:37 PM
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3. What's the Implication w/ Blair?
That he passed the infor to Bush who turned on Chalabi because of this?

I was under the impression the whole Chalabi raid took the admin. by surprise and that it was handled independently of the usual channels.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:38 PM
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4. That's how I read it.
That Europe is pressuring Blair and Blair is pressuring Bush. If Blair made Bush turn on a dime, then the evidence must be very compelling.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:47 PM
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8. Incidentally, Blumenthal is (or was) very tight with Blair
In fact, according to The Clinton Wars, it was Blumenthal who introduced Clinton and Blair. I wonder if Sidney and Blair have spoken about this subject.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:45 PM
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7. More Proof that * is "keeping us safe"
do you believe it? they were caught with their pants down AGAIN...trusting in an Iranian spy - and the Europeans had to tell us about it???????????????????

WTF???????????????? why are we paying Tenent a salary?

and...Chalabi has the proof somewhere in an undisclosed location that proves he put the sting on old Georgie!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:49 PM
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9. The Bushists have been paying Tenant a salary
because he had been telling them exactly what they wanted to hear. (Or is it because he didn't tell others what the Bushists didn't want him to tell?)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:15 PM
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10. kick
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:20 PM
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11. I read the King Of Jordan brought Bush a document on Chalabi
on his most recent visit, that outlined Chalabi's dealings with Iran...right after that..the raid took place.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:20 PM
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15. So, it seems, Blair's visit led to the cutoff of funding
and Abdullah's to the raid?

And Richard Perle thinks a smear campaign from CIA and DIA is going on? :eyes:
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:45 PM
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12. Lots of scary stuff going on at NSA (SIGINT) right now
Right after 911 Rumsfeld and the Bush regime started to "privatize" NSA and "modernize" their operations.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:00 PM
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13. This is getting complex
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/29/politics/29CHAL.html?pagewanted=prin...

Influential outside advisers to the Bush administration who support the Iraqi exile leader Ahmad Chalabi are pressing the White House to stop what one has called a "smear campaign" against Mr. Chalabi, whose Baghdad home and offices were ransacked last week in an American-supported raid.

Last Saturday, several of these Chalabi supporters said, a small delegation of them marched into the West Wing office of Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser, to complain about the administration's abrupt change of heart about Mr. Chalabi and to register their concerns about the course of the war in Iraq. The group included Richard N. Perle, the former chairman of a Pentagon advisory group, and R. James Woolsey, director of central intelligence under President Bill Clinton.

Members of the group, who had requested the meeting, told Ms. Rice that they were incensed at what they view as the vilification of Mr. Chalabi, a favorite of conservatives who is now central to an F.B.I. investigation into who in the American government might have given him highly classified information that he is suspected of turning over to Iran.

Mr. Chalabi has denied that he provided Iran with any classified information.

The session with Ms. Rice was one sign of the turmoil that Mr. Chalabi's travails have produced within an influential corner of Washington, where Mr. Chalabi is still seen as a potential leader of Iraq.

Article later states Newt Gingrich was also there.

*Seems that Chalabi played a whole lot of people in the US, Iran and Israel. The con game involves a lot of cons, eh?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:18 PM
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14. Here's an AMAZING piece of irony from Richard Perle in that piece!
"There is a smear campaign under way, and it is being perpetrated by the C.I.A. and the D.I.A. and a gaggle of former intelligence officers who have succeeded in planting these stories, which are accepted with hardly any scrutiny," Mr. Perle, a leading conservative, said in an interview.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:48 PM
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16. UPDATE from Laura Rozen
UPDATE: Kevin Drum urges caution about the intel on Chalabi, given how flawed the US and UK's pre-war Iraq intel proved to be. Agreed. In addition, let me just clarify, that it was my presumption that the European government that might have been the one which allegedly presented evidence of Chalabi's espionage to the US was Britain. My guess that it might very well have been Britain was based largely on the facts that 1) two people including the source above told me that the evidence the US received about Chalabi's betrayal came not initially from a US domestic intelligence agency but in fact from a trusted European government/intelligence agency, and 2) then my deducing that the timing of the White House decisively cutting off Chalabi came in mid April, around the same time Blair visited Bush to talk matters Iraq. I think it's important to keep in mind - and this has been reiterated by numerous sources - that it was the White House that decided to cut Chalabi off, around mid April.
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