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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:33 PM
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police officer uses tazer on handcuffed 9-year-old girl
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:35 PM
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1. Good grief!!! She was handcuffed and he STILL tazed her???
Man oh man...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:35 PM
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2. Sick
The cop was still on duty at the time of this article.

That guy should be FIRED and BANNED from EVER being in a position of authority.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:36 PM
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3. More details definitely needed
There's not enough information in the article to form a good opinion.*

But this excerpt is disturbing:

The sergeant who used the hand-held Taser remains on duty. His name is not being released while the investigation is under way.

"It didn't involve an integrity issue," Molina said. "The officer made a decision to do what he thought he needed to do."

*That opinion being, of course, whether the officer involved should be locked in a cell for 24 hours with a demented death row killer who has a 9 year old of his own, or if he should be on the receiving end of a taser wielded by the girl. I would worry about psychological damage to the child.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:43 PM
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11. There had to be more to this story than what we're hearing
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:13 PM
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27. Why do you say that?

Cop brutalizes a young juvenile delinquent. I don't really think it's that unusual.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:18 PM
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34. Except a "juvenile delinquent" does not attend
"a school for special needs children". That was what the article said. I don't know how police could justify using a tazer on ANY child of 9, let alone a child with a disability.

Also, kids who attend these types of segregated schools, in a time when the education law encourages "inclusion", tend to be among the most severely disabled.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:22 PM
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36. Sorry my mistake, I misread.

I agree that there is no justification for using a tazer on ANY child of 9, however, I'm not willing to assume it is an uncommon occurence.
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:37 PM
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4. I wonder if he has children?
nt
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:38 PM
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5. Ye Gods!
A veteran South Tucson police sergeant is under investigation for firing his stun gun to subdue a handcuffed 9-year-old girl.
 
"I'll be the first to admit, you've got a veteran sergeant Tasing a 9-year-old girl, it doesn't look good," said Molina.


Words fail. How is a handcuffed 9-year-old girl a threat to anyone? It's cops like this that give rise to the epithet - FUCKING PIG!
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:38 PM
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6. has the entire country turned S&M?
I guess this is just more "frat pranks".
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:39 PM
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7. How often does this kind of thing happen yet not get reported?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:42 PM
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9. Probably more than any of us care to think too deeply about.
Anyone remember the case of the missing woman near San Diego?

The family reported her missing, but the police blew them off.

Her five year old daughter ended up spending nearly a week (more than?) in a car with her mother, who died after the accident. It's a miracle she survived. Who knows if her mother might have been saved.

Too bad the woman was hispanic. Guess they don't matter as much as other missing women, who get immediate notice and assistance when they go missing.

:nuke:
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:09 PM
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26. There needs to be more community, citizen oversight of policing.

As it stands now, there is practically no check on police power in most communities.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:25 PM
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38. You are absolutely 100% correct.
And it's a very frightening situation, considering.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:03 PM
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21. Hell my cop "buddies" in Chicago used to throw "unruly" black
kids in the back of the paddy wagon...drive them over to Canaryville (an extremely violent white supremicsist neighborhood) and let them out of the wagon. Great fun. Was it reported? Shit no it wasn't reported! Then again running bag and transporting whores in the first district wasn't either!

RC
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:41 PM
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8. Not enough information.
yeah while it seems common sense that a 9 year old girl generally would not put up much of a fight. But we dont really know what happened there.

If you ever watch cops whenever they have someone handcuffed and they still put up a fight it seems like standard operation procedure is for the cop to sit on them with his knee in the suspects back or even resting with the knee on his kneck till the suspect decides to comply.

So would it have been better if this cop kneed her in the kneck till she cooperated?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:42 PM
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10. Do you honestly think a 9 year old female can put up that much of a fight?
:grr:
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:45 PM
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13. I havent been in any fights with 9yr old girls.
so I am ignorant of thier capabilities.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:48 PM
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14. Oh yeah, that helps
:puke:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:54 PM
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16. Any cop who hasn't the strength or skill to contain a handcuffed 9 year
old kid without excessive force should be drummed out of the service.


PERIOD.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:21 PM
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35. Any nine year old girl is quite capable of
putting up as much,
if not more,
of a fight
as any old quadraplegic man.
And those quadraplegic geezers have been known to be a threat to national security.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3559905.stm

And those damn rabbit thieves DESERVE what they get.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3614651.stm

There have been other kids hit by Tasers, though.
Records kept by Taser International of Scottsdale show that as of six months ago, two 1-year-olds, one 2-year-old, two 3-year-olds, two 4-year-olds, one 5-year-old, one 6-year-old and one 7-year-old had been hit with Tasers, though most of the toddlers were hit inadvertently.
Slightly older children also have been hit, including a 13-year-old Wisconsin girl wielding a samurai sword, another 13-year-old girl in Washington who fought with officers, and another 13-year-old girl in Chandler who also fought.
"At first blush, this is going to look bad," said Steve Tuttle, a spokesman for Taser International of Scottsdale. "But this is going to be an issue of was it reasonable force, what are the alternatives, and does it fit in their policy?"
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/dailystar/23559.php

In other child abuse news:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040528%2F1207752558.htm&sc=1110&floc=NW_2-T
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:04 PM
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22. I'll admit, I was afraid of 9yr old girls
Granted, I was *8* at the time..
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:45 PM
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12. That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day.
Gee, maybe he should have raped her and smashed her head in with a brick if she wasn't cooperating.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:56 PM
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18. um, I don't know..
it might've been better for the pig to not have tried to bully around a 9yr old girl in the first place.. call me crazy..
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:23 PM
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37. There is NO excuse or reasonable explanation for this kind of treatment
of a child. I would need some overwhelming evidence that a handcuffed adult warranted being tazed.

If the child was hysterical or even still resisting, the police officer had the recourse waiting her out. It is really difficult for a child to keep up really violent hysterics for very long if they are anger generated. It takes a tremendous amount of energy and the child will wear him/herself out in fifteen to thirty minutes. If the hysterics were uncontrollable, then she needed a doctor or someone who has someone who had a much better understanding of how to handle a completely hysterical child.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:50 PM
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15. This girl was from "a school for special needs children"
The police were responding to a call about a "runaway" from the "institution". As the mother of a special needs child this type of story makes me sick. What kind of sadistic asshole thinks it is appropriate to use a tazer gun on a child with disabilities?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:56 PM
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17. I thought that's what they meant as well
but then I thought it could be like a juvenile detention center.

Not sure, but if you're right then it's even MORE of an outrage that this guy is still not in jail.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:07 PM
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25. It was not a detention center. Here is a quote from the article:
"The sergeant was one of at least two officers who responded to a call from the Arizona Children's Home, a school for special needs children, on South Eighth Avenue, he said.

"It had to do with a runaway from the institution," the chief said. He declined to provide further details. "


Juvenile offenders are NOT "special needs children." The 2 terms are not interchangeable. Furthermore, juvenile offenders are not to be mixed in with a population of kids with special needs because some kids with disabilities (like my daughter with autism) are ideal "victims" for juvenile offenders.

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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:15 PM
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31. Not true at all.
"Special needs" children can mean any child with special needs. In many districts it often refers exclusively to children with physical diabilities, but in others it can refer to children from troubled homes, or even gifted children.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:05 PM
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40. Yes you are technically correct
but people do not generally refer to juvenile offenders as "special needs children". Honestly, when you see a "a school for special needs children" who assumes juvenile offenders, especially when the age of the child is only 9? Or gifted children? And kids from troubled homes might be placed in foster care, but not in "a school for special needs children".

In my state juvenile offenders can be sent to "juvenile detention centers" or an "alternative education placement for disruptive youth"; these are the terms spelled out in PA law.

There are some schools here with "special needs children" in the title and in my experience, they are always schools for kids with disabilities.

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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:58 PM
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19. WTF?!!!
So today, we had three kids beheaded in Baltimore, a woman bashing a baby's head against a wall in Buffalo, and now a cop tazering a 9-year-old girl. If anyone needs me, I'll be laying on the bar...

And did anyone else notice that at the bottom of the page was an advertisement saying "Great Deals On Stun Guns?" The irony is making my head hurt.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:02 PM
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20. OMG I didn't hear about the woman in Buffalo
:cry:
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:04 PM
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23. Check the thread about the three kids in Baltimore
I think a link is somewhere in there.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:16 PM
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33. but but but WE'RE the civilized society, remember?
*sigh* scoot over, I'm joining you at the bar.

:cry:
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:15 PM
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32. My brother is mentally ill...
I'm much bigger and stronger than he is -- which means I can be sure he doesn't hurt me, but it's practically impossible to keep him from hurting himself.

A nine-year-old girl can do a lot of harm to herself by thrashing around, even in cuffs.

I'm not saying this is what happened.

I'm just saying that there are other possibilities other than the obvious one.

Or maybe I'm just in denial because I have a Buddhist belief that people are fundamentally good -- all people, even Republicans.
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Hammie Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:46 PM
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43. You've probably come the closest to the reality
I don't think any cop would tase a handcuffed child unless it was the least harmful way to prevent the child from injuring themselves.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:04 PM
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24. This "Sixto Molina" fellow should be submitted as a top ten idiot.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:13 PM
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28. sounds like someone fancies himself an Abu Garaib guard
sick. absolutely sick. Could you imagine if this was YOUR daughter or sister or neice??? If there's a fund to pay for her lawyer I want to know about it so I can donate to it.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:13 PM
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29. When I was 16...
I had a highway patrolman threated to crush my skull with his nightstick. From that point forward, I kept saying..."FUCK THE POPO"
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:15 PM
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30. Yeah, we'll have to worry about SOLDIERS when Martial Law comes...
Been saying all along, it ain't the Army we're gonna have to worry about, it's the cops.

Cop looks at you, he's sizing you up, checking his mental file of "Perps" to see if you match-up.

The shaved heads, ballistic nylon "tactical" gear? All designed to intimidate.

Soldiers would probably say "Fuck this shit, I ain't killing my own people..." Cops would say "Perps! Order must be UPHELD!"
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:28 PM
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39. Good point
And scary too. :(
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drb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:09 PM
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41. You'd think South Tucson would learn.
Note that South Tucson is a different city from Tucson. It's a couple square miles or so (if I remember correctly) that's surrounded by Tucson.

Back in the 1970's, there was a cop-involved shooting that resulted in a huge judgement against South Tucson, and the city of South Tucson literally filed for bankruptcy.

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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:23 PM
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42. All hell should break loose if that cop isn't fired and sued by parents
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