Is God really out there?

Is there a powerful benevolent force that will help us when we need it and and that is not the way that Pat Robertson et. al. describe him?

my favorite game, as a pagan...

Generator Operator Destroyer :)

All attempts at magic and sorcery over the ages are nothing more than attempts to figure out God's username and password.

Dog backwards.

I mean, I follow you so far.

You need to define what you consider god to be and how a god would fit into your view of the universe.

I'm gonna bust a gut.......LOL

YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!!

:-)

"Is there a 'God'?" And if there is, would you want to be in his heaven? Look at all the grief done in his/her name and this 'God' doesn't seem to care.

just kidding

Not God. He gave us freedom of choice whether to do these things or not.

during my life that seem to defy certain scientific principles. I saw a sugar bowl moving around on a kitchen table in an Apartment a former wife swore was haunted. This seems to suggest the existence of ghosts anyway. The sugar bowl was moving all over the table. There was no Earth tremors or trains. Nothing else in the Apartment was moving, just that sugar bowl. ...Oscar

'Ghosts'....

Considering the Earth is spinning at 18 ft/second, moving around the sun at a faster rate, solar system spinning along in the Milky Way, the galaxy flying through the universe...

Just what properties must ghosts have to be effected by gravity?

seems we are shadows of a 10 or 11 dimension real world.

If string theory is your starting point.

... but most of those 10 or 11 dimensions are tightly bound in quantum space, not very conducive for observation at the macro level that we do function in. <smile>

But okay, if you'd like to suppose that scientists in another realm are 'crossing over' with some type of unknown quantum energy source which actual moves physical objects in this space-time realm... hey, sounds alright to me.

Ghostly maybe, but not ghosts!

:-)

by the way - those other dimension only needed to be "other dimensions" for the math to work.

There was no need for them to be the QM states - except our need to not think of ourselves as shadows!

But the violence done to the word "dimemsion" seemed minor compared to saying we do not live in the real world - I guess -

but this is/was only a problem if you needed strings!

Thats why I like pure math - nothing need relate to anything "real" - but alas I have only worked in applied math.

about 4 billion years ago and now makes up more than 90% of the matter in our Universe. The one property the physicists have attributed to it is that it repels the types of matter we are familiar with. One of the results of this is that the galaxies are moving away from each other at an ever increasing rate of speed. Many of these physicists believe and is possible and perhaps probable that an infinite number of Universes exist and that all the laws of physics and chemistry could be quite different there in many of them.For more on this do a google search using: dark matter or dark energy or dark matter+dark energy. ...Oscar

equater you are the faster you are moving and conversely : the further from the equater you are the slower you move. Also I suggested that this is the source of the unexplained energy input for Frank Polifkas WINDHEXE machine. The phenomenon is known as ANGULAR MOMENTUM TRANSFER. This WINDHEXE technology may be the answer to the Worlds energy crisis. When combined with known Depolymerization technologies I believe it is possible to turn any organic matter such as garbage, sewage, trees,plant matter of all sorts whose content is mostly so called carbohydrates of one form or another into usable fuels like gasoline,fuel oil whatever. If you want to find out about the WINDHEXE , simply do a google search using that one word: windhexe. ...Oscar

I've never really heard that we could NOT create alternative energy sources, it's just that they are not cost effective since there are cheaper means of energy (wind, water, fossil, etc).

Thanks for the link/subject suggestion!

currently being used to treat sewage somewhere in Pennsylvania,along with other uses. ...Oscar

with it, in which etheric spirits move.

!? That sounds like I'm talking out my ass.

FUCK I don't know! LOL

That's not so strange. At my home the sugar was moving in the bowl and the bowl didn't budge an inch!

I also noticed my cereal was making stange cracking noises last week. Some kind of rice cereal.

I'm convinced ghosts are responsible. Any suggestions on what I should do?

According to that exwife all sorts of strange things would happen while I was at work. I just told her not to worry about it. I was so tired and miserable from loading and unloading box cars full of tires all day I really didn`t care very much. I thought it was kind of interesting and that perhaps this ghost was trying to tell us something. If something bad starts happening I guess you can move. ...Oscar

In fact, "God" *IS* you.

You may or may not be one, but that is a very gnostic point of view.

on DU -

but there are also many who feel that "Religious" and "Scientist" do not fit well together -

makes for some of the more interesting threads on DU

:-)

Although, I have been known to explore the philosophical and spiritual notions of God and self, using the concepts of Quantum Physics.

(on edit: typo)

have explored that conbination.

Indeed faith/belief required by QM exceeds - IMHO - that required for religion.

Not that QM is not solid as a way to get QM type answers - just that when I saw the solutions to the equations, I said OK - but there must be something deeper we are not seeing.

He already knows that he is the Devil. Imagine what more damage he could do thinking that he's "GOD", the one who has power over all powers!

Good tells the truth. Evil tells lies. Good promotes peace. Evil promotes war. Good is kind to our fellow man. Evil is cruel to our fellow man...Never mind! You said 'God'...

absence of good. :shrug:

only by acting upon them can cause evil... "By your fruits, ye shall be known."

the absence of evil! (Reminds me of the old joke about the Freeper who painted his light bulb black so he could turn it on and darken the room.)

Okay, okay, it used to be a polack/aggie/newfie joke but we can't do those anymore I guess...

:evilgrin:

Dear God,
Hope you got the letter and
I pray you can make it better down here.
I don't mean a big reduction in the price of beer
But all the people that you made in your image,
See them starving on their feet
'Cause they don't get enough to eat
From God
I can't believe in you.

Dear God,
Sorry to disturb you, but
I feel that I should be heard loud and clear.
We all need a big reduction in the amount of tears
And all the people that you made in your image,
See them fighting in the street
'Cause they can't make opinions meet

About God,
I can't believe in you.

Did you make disease, and the diamond blue?
Did you make mankind after we made you?
And the devil too?!

Dear God,
Don't know if you noticed, but...
Your name is on a lot of quotes in this book,
Us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look,
And all the people that you made in your image,
Still believing that junk is true
Well I know it ain't, and so do you

Dear God,
I can't believe in...
I don't believe in...

I won't believe in heaven and hell.
No saints, no sinners, no devil as well.
No pearly gates, no thorny crown.
You're always letting us humans down.
The wars you bring, the babes you drown.
Those lost at sea and never found,
And it's the same the whole world 'round.
The hurt I see helps to compound
That Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Is just somebody's unholy hoax
And if you're up there you'd perceive
That my heart's here upon my sleeve.
If there's one thing I don't believe in.....

It's you.....
Dear God.

-- Dear God, XTC

Great song!

I just heard her version of it recently.

I will look for it later.

There is a God, but it cannot be found "out there", only inside yourself. Its voice sounds an awful lot like your conscience. :)

It provides everything we really need, but ignores what WE say we need. If you expect God to be a magic wand, you will be disappointed. It knows better, and best. It loves us enough to let us learn from our mistakes. That can be good or bad depending on your outlook.

You get closer to understanding God when you consider everything in your life as a lesson; if it's a good event, the lesson is "show gratitude"; if it's bad, the lesson is to fix it or deal with it, thus exercising your will and furthering your growth.

I couldn't agree more.

I have ever read. My hats off to you.

O8)

I have ever read - I was just catching up on some of his latest posts - and took a break from reading to check in at DU - and here's this post. Talk about "coincidence" or "synchronicity"....

I hope many will check it out. Amazing.

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/

Is that not good enough?

:-)

That's why I'm an agnostic.

We'll have to fix everything on our own.

how do you want to 'fix' it? Do you want to make it better or worse? Why do you want to "fix' it? What external machina would drive you to dream such a thing? :)

I have a god/goddess that I have a personal relationship with. I have often prayed to god and usually I have good things happen so I feel that there is a god. Just through my own experience I believe but I really can't say I know for sure.

but I could be wrong.

We just don't agree on the details. Of course some people don't think so. Whatever floats your boat.

this morning

Take my word for it. ;)

I'm still having a hard time with that one.

And on that note, I'm off to go fix my diesel generator. Oh fun.

The human mind requires a 'beginning', but the universe may not.

:shrug:

Like where'd all this stuff come from. Oops, wrong thread.

I can be so existential, when I'm not fixing a diesel engine.

Yeah, I have trouble with infinity.

However, I don't have much trouble with Jesus. I think that if even one of his so-called miracles was really a miracle, then he was more than just a guy walking around. I believe he really was god's son. It's just too weird to be untrue. Yeah, all the other philosophies say a lot of the same stuff, but they didn't go walking around on water, and saying absolutely incredible things, and rising from the dead, and curing sick people, and preaching to love one's enemies, and on and on. He's no fake. But I guess we'll find out sooner or later. Meanwhile, Bush is making it impossible for me to love him. That asshole!

This "Source" is within every living entity IMO.
:loveya:

God is definitely 'in here.'

eom

Really, I have seen many miracles. I expect to see many more. That's the problem, you see, you cannot just go about expecting miracles. Sometimes prayers aren't answered the way that you want. Sometimes, you realize that you are better off that they weren't. Why am I reminded of "Brauce Almighty" right now?

and, he's bound for New Orleans. I think ZZ Top said it best and quite possibly had the best inside notion about people that done left Chicago and one Jim Kohn Forbes Wintrop Kerry ain't on board, he's too busy trying to rev up the Scaramouche to get as far as he can from the Jersey shore, god, who can blame him?

Ask me anything.

And in a sense I think it diminishes the universe to postulate that it had to be created by an individual. But thats just my opinion. :D

of all those mothers whose babies die of cancer? Or those whose entire families were murdered in concentration camps? Or those who slowly bled to death in Rwanda?

If God ignores those prayers, heck, I'm not going to bother asking for squat.

It's tough on this planet

We have our physical senses, the stimulation of which is organized within the brain to create our sense of ourselves in the world. We also have faculties of mind -- thought -- and of the heart -- feeling.

It is possible, although rare, to come into contact with a completely different kind of feeling, a new 'senseation' of the heart that I call "a sense of the sacred." This 'sense' is evidence of the existence of something we might as well call 'God.'

When this sense is awakened everything else in life, including death itself, is put in a different perspective. But if you have not come into contact with this 'sense of the sacred' you do not know what I'm talking about or what I mean and so these words sound silly or useless. On the other hand, if you have felt it, even if only for a moment and even if not as deeply as one might hope, you will understand, at least a little bit, that the life we live, important though it is, is only a very very small thing that is part of something much much greater.

It is toward this 'greatness' that we must ultimately turn.

Waste of good energy

n/t

doing so often leads them to project their own personal limitations and misconceptions onto that Force.

The Universe exists for our Benefit. :)

Never has been, never will be. Who cares?

God is built in.

god isn't going to come to earth and help out. we have the planet. we have life. we have the rules. it's our game to play. if we mess it up, then we do. we'll hear some trumpets when it gets really serious . . ..

You summed it up perfectly.

The real question is- another beer, or not?

By the way, I play trumpet.

And I see evidence.

Regarding Pat Robertson: The guy's nothing more than a gold-plated turd of the BFEE who abandoned his platoon before reaching Korea. Don't take my word for it, Pete McCloskey (R-California) talked about it back in 1988. He was a Marine officer on the same troopship and he saw it with his own eyes.

Check out:

http://www.schlatter.org/liquor_officer.htm

Now, the majority of his followers may never know that about Pat, the Liquor Officer. No problem. God knows.

We're insignificant creatures living on a tiny, irrelevant planet. We could all be wiped out by an asteroid tomorrow and nobody would notice or care. So you can't really blame people for inventing imaginary friends/saviors (e.g. God) when faced with this stark reality.

no

but I feel no need to convince any other human being of that.