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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:22 PM
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Is The Admin. Completely Spinning Out of Control?
Edited on Fri May-28-04 07:24 PM by Beetwasher
Salin just brought this up in another thread and I think we have to seriously consider that the admin. has reached a serious crisis mode.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1675445&mesg_id=1675445

In the last few days we've seen some incredibly incompetent developments that point to the prospect that the admin. are like rats scurrying trying to outrun a forest fire. No one knows what anyone else is doing. Every man for himself.

Ashcroft calls his phony terror alert and doesn't tell anyone. Rove tells the Chimp to say we're tearing down AG, and it's the first everyone's heard of that. The whole fiasco w/ picking a leader for Iraq, the first guy backed out after his name was leaked and denied it, now they pick this guy Allawi with ties to Chalabi and the 45 minute claim. It's like this guy was the fastest guy the could find so they grabbed him but they forgot to tell Brahimi about it and yet tried to get away with saying Brahimi picked Allawi. See:

www.talkingpointsmemo.com

I seriously think it's possible that they're in utter panic mode and in complete chaos. The term Mayberry Machiavelli was too kind.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:26 PM
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1. YES!
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:26 PM
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2. Yes the wheels have come off.
The next 237 days are going to be interesting -- which reminds me of that old curse: 'may you live in interesting times'

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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:04 PM
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37. And you can smell the Bu$h gang's "flop sweat"
Flop sweat is the clammy cold sweat when you're out on stage laying an egg, the boos and flying groceries are coming at you from the audience, and the hook is coming at you from the wings. Which is exactly the situation the Bu$h gang is in.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:29 PM
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3. June 30th deadline!
Some idiot picked that date. Curious one because it is the same date Iraq kicked out the UK colonizers from Iraq.

Now Bushco is stuck with this deadline. Of course the "full sovereignty" matra is 100% bogus. Maybe most Amerikans will believe this nonesense but the Iraqis damn well won't.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:30 PM
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4. i read something
that suggested cabinet meetings are scripted mostly. Bunch of really stiff bastards spewing rhetoric. How much do they really think and communicate as a group anyway. Morons with little weasels running around covering there tracks.
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Streetdoc270 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:30 PM
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5. don't forget the latest...
Making a family relive the memory of the death of their loved one by now suddenly discovering that he was not KIA, rather captured, and horrably executed by being shot in the back! (like we beleive anything the Admin. says now)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/27/iraq.pow/index.html
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:09 PM
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19. thank you for clarifying
(like we beleive anything the Admin. says now) :-)
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:36 PM
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6. Also, who is Lane McCotter, and what exactly was he doing in Iraq?
Edited on Fri May-28-04 07:40 PM by MissMarple
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2004-05-28/cols_ventura.html

This guy is one sick puppy(Perhaps I should have said he is one sadly conflicted individual.) And the Justice Department which is investigating him for evil deeds actually puts him charge of prisons in ..... You guessed it, Iraq.

<Here comes the good part:

While he and his company were under investigation by the Justice Department, the department's chief, Attorney General John Ashcroft, hand-picked McCotter to "rebuild criminal justice system." (NY Times) Inhale that: Ashcroft selected a man his own department was investigating, a man who had to leave the top corrections post in Utah or face scrutiny for what can only be called torture. And that's what inner-circle Republicans are so frightened of: If the prison abuse investigation gets to Ashcroft, it gets to the White House.

It would seem that McCotter was chosen not in spite of his record but because of it. It's likely that Ashcroft and Wolfowitz, and the people they report to (Rumsfeld and Bush), knew exactly who they were hiring and what was expected of him. It was McCotter who, in the parlance of The NY Times, "directed Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq last year and trained the guards." The guards McCotter trained did the infamous things, took the infamous photographs. What did Ashcroft say when he appointed McCotter? This: "Now all Iraqis can taste liberty in their native land, and we will help make that freedom permanent by assisting them to establish an equitable justice system based on the rule of law and standards of basic human rights." Orwell would chortle. When The NY Times (May 8) queried why McCotter was hired even though he was under investigation, the Justice Department didn't return the calls. Hard to blame them. What could Justice possibly say? >

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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:06 PM
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18. And I think there are pictures of McCotter at Abu Ghraib
with both Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. I'm not sure, but there was a man in pictures of both visits whom no one could identify at the time (at least, he wasn't identified in the captions). One photo had Karpinski there too. But the man I think is McCotter was not in military dress, and he looked as if he was the host of the occasion.

I suppose being in the same photo isn't necessarily totally incriminating, but it makes it harder for them to claim to know nothing. (Sorry I'm not able to locate the photos--can one google them? I only know how to google for articles...)
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:39 PM
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21. As you state: Atty.Gen.Ashcroft picked McCotter to lead Prison Affairs in
Edited on Fri May-28-04 09:52 PM by DEMVET-USMC
Iraq. This Documented Prisoner abuser was picked by devout Christian John Ashcroft. If you didn`t link this story I will . Go to: < http//:www.talkleft.com/new_archives/006529.html >.
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:00 PM
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23. This is a major scandal and I want to see it get the attention it warrants
Ashcroft personally chose this documented prisoner abuser to head up Prison Affairs in Iraq.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:06 PM
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24. Thank You!
I wasn't aware of this...
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 06:05 PM
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31. This Should be its Own Post
Thanks for bringing that to our attention.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:37 PM
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7. Already happened ...

The administration is damaged beyond repair. They will start falling apart from now on. Count on seeing one or more cabinet resignations/firings before the election.

Some will be to deflect blame from the chimp. Others will be to distance themselves from The Chimp and provide cover for a future political career.

If they don't succeed in rigging the election (like Florida 2000), they're toast. Congress may be VERY vulnerable right now. President Bush could take some Congressman down with him.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:38 PM
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8. I hope so. n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:38 PM
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9. The "media"'s first amendment rights don't cover screaming "fire"
in a crowded (or otherwise) theatre, but they should be.

Other than that yes they are spinnning and completely out of control. My sailor friends would say "rudderless".

Frightening but reality.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:38 PM
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10. Yes, here's proof...Insider testimony
Edited on Fri May-28-04 07:53 PM by indigobusiness
Insider tells how corruption is embedded organically within our govt..

http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/Archives/2004/asx/MOM20040520.asx

begins at the 35 min mark.

Incredible!

$3.3 trillion missing at DOD

Financial coup d'etat
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 07:03 PM
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34. Listen to this intvw (link)
it will blow your mind.

starting at 35 min mark

http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/Archives/2004/asx/MOM20040520.asx
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:14 PM
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39. Yes, those trillions went missing right before 9-11
What do you suppose Unka Dick's been doing with that spare change?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:39 PM
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11. Problem is:
Rummy is running the politics of the situation. The same guy who runs Gitmo and now that Iraqi prison. The same guy who should have been fired a long time ago. Rumsfeld.

Of course Rummy is the right hand man to Cheney... and since Cheney is in hiding and his puppet don't know nothing, things are bound to go awry, as they sure as hell have.

There's an iceburg ahead! Full speed ahead, says Rummy.

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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:41 PM
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12. They seem to be ramping up from a scandal a month
to a scandal a week, and now it seems like it's getting closer to every couple days. I have a phrase I coined for hot shoes, they scream sex, well, this admin is screaming incompetence.

It reeks. The stench of rotting incompetence.
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:09 PM
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25. I KNEW IT WOULD GET THIS BAD,at least the truth is finally getting out
as to all the unequaled vileness of the Bush family and their cronies. Keep the pressure on, they are cracking wide open. Stories that were not getting out during the last election are making there way event into the mainstream media, and the new ones just keep rolling in. ...Oscar
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lapauvre Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:13 PM
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13. One book to read:
The Ultimate Terrorists, by Jessica Stern.

I was going to list two, but....

What the hell? I am going for broke here.

Sorry about this to the Jewish community, but check out the indexes, and check out who got hurt? And, please, whatever you call me, don't let it be anti-Semite, as the Arabs, the Palestinians, are also semitic.

Ignorant, maybe. Anti-American, very questionable. Communist, not hardly. I have not read the entirety of this book. I have only researched it by index.

Since I have found the actions of the "Nation" of Israel's actions to be inhuman, selfish and horrific, as well as terrorist, I was looking for "why do American tax payer dollars support this?"

I have absolutely nothing to question about practicing Jews. I have everything to question about the past forty years of Israeli government and military action.

The book: They Dare to Speak Out, by Paul Findley.

Make your own judgments. Mine have been validated.
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lapauvre Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:14 PM
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14. This is what true democracy is about.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:47 PM
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15. the thought of a mortally wounded Bushco has always frightened me
because when they have nothing to lose they might do anything.

If we can get them out of power without anybody getting nuked, I'll see that as positive.

Right now they are capable of anything. They are still behind the wheel of the most formidable power to ever walk the face of the earth.

Why we're all happy to wait for the elections, and then two more months beyond THAT, to get rid of them is WAY beyond me.

It's like we're letting the drunk drive the car for another few days.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:28 PM
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20. That's my fear, as well
Who knows what these maniacs are capable of? I have to say that you don't want to be too close to this body as it thrashes its life away. It's got a lot of sharp points that can still pierce, slash and maim.

I just don't know that we can disable them before the elections or during the lame duck period. My major piss-off is that no one (and I mean no one) is being held accountable. Nobody's been fired, nobody's had to resign under a cloud, nobody's been discredited or disgraced in a meaningful way. That means that some of them (like that cockroach Negroponte) may slither back into government at some later date.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 06:06 AM
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28. hey dumbass chastized
the asscanker criminal the other day
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:13 PM
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26. When a man has nothing to lose, it's open season
I'm holding my breath.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:52 PM
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16. The rats will be fleeing the ship - especially the "smarter" ones
if there are any "smarter" ones....
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:55 PM
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17. They are all trying to stay our of prison, or out of the NOOSE
Edited on Fri May-28-04 08:56 PM by Alerter_
The traditional punishment for ordering war crimes, genocide, treason, torture, and rape, is to be "hung by the neck until dead." Try them, convict them, punish them.
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 07:49 PM
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36. And if Bu$h & co MIHOP, the penalty for 3,000 murders is also death.
Even LIHOP is "accessory before the fact" -- which would make them just as guilty of 9/11 as Osama & co.

Bu$h & co. have done everything to keep 9/11 from being properly investigated. The only two reasons I can think of are incompetence or complicity. Which is more likely I cannot say.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:50 PM
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22. June is going to be a very interesting month for Bushco.
Mark my words.
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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:18 PM
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27. Then . . . there will be JULY 1 . . .
The "END OF THE OCCUPATION" according to bush . . .

Just what does the "END OF THE OCCUPATION" mean???? My nephew will still be there occupying the country . . .

Ummm. . . bush has pulled so many layers of wool over the eyes of his believers that I suspect they are starting to suffocate . . .



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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 09:17 AM
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29. It Will Be Another "Mission Accomplished" Moment
n/t
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 09:43 AM
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30. MUST READ NYT ARTICLE THAT BACKS UP THIS HYPOTHESIS!!!!
Discipline Takes a Break at the White House

--snip--

For months now, the same administration whose members once prided themselves on never contradicting one another in public has been riven by conflicting pronouncements. Senior officials keep missing opportunities to keep their signals straight, prompting cases of vicious backbiting that one senior member of Mr. Bush's national security staff said with disgust the other day "make us sound like Democrats.''

Reporters who spent the first two-thirds of Mr. Bush's term looking for any crack between the tight-lipped members of the administration suddenly feel as if they have stepped into an amusement park, with different hawkers openly selling disparate policies, explanations and critiques.

--snip--

"What you find is that coerced discipline often erodes,'' Mr. Suskind said. "And when it goes, it really goes. Some of that rigor of message was suddenly the stuff of coercion, born of fear rather than real loyalty.'' His book was followed by Richard A. Clarke's unflattering inside account of the counterterrorism operation and Bob Woodward's account of the White House's march to war.

Another theory is that while the president is thinking about his second term, many of those in his cabinet are thinking about getting out - Mr. Powell first among them. That changes every political calculation; many suspect that the secretary of state, among others, is thinking about his legacy, and wants to clear the ledgers before he leaves.

--snip--

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/weekinreview/30sang.html?pagewanted=2
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 06:44 PM
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33. the most pathetic character in this scenario has got to be Powell
I have no respect for him at all and he probably could care less if anyone has any respect for him. This administration seems to have thrived on that type of arrogance and Powell is not an exception by any measures.

He is merely trying to extract himself from any complicity in this evil, war mongering, fascist regime. But,he is the military man , is he not?

That strikes me as funny.

Won't it be interesting to see how Powell fares after he leaves. WE know Bush is set for life, and all those around him are so rich that there really is nothing to fear at all if they are all not elected or appointed next election.

But it will be interesting to see how the slobbering Powell fares after it is all over.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 07:08 PM
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35. thanks I'm clipping this and moving it to "Articles etc"
grat stuff!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 09:55 PM
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38. I just ran across that (12 hours later) and came searching for this thread
not just us who are noticing this big change.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 06:20 PM
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32. it's a pretty impressive trainwreck, alright! wonder if they are going
to call a timeout and get their stories straight. oh wait! they can't tell anyone about anything in fear of leaks and traitors. LOL and their neuroticism bites them in the ass. I love it.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:07 AM
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40. Iraqi PM Showdown Update
So now there's going to be a showdown over the new PM!

With these fools it's one massive diplomatic failure after another after another after another...

Things are really starting to go to hell and quick...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:08 AM
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41. and to keep things interesting... Chalabi's offices were raided
(and evacuated?) today.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:20 AM
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42. Just Saw Your Thread in LBN!
Yeah, it's going to hell very quickly now, it's actually quite frightening...
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:41 AM
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43. Don't forget ...
Bush just promised to demolish Abu Ghraib prison, without telling anyone. It sounded like people were scrambling to find some paperwork to back it up so they wouldn't look stupid, but found none.

Also, what about that Baathist general who we threw into Falloujah (or was it Najaf?). Just out of the blue, this man appears. And just as quickly, he's gone.

These guys are seriously taking on water. They're scrambling and struggling to survive....the water level's rising......
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sleepless in seattle Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:25 PM
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44. Bush Admin out of Control
Does anyone believe it possible that the Pentagon or ? uploaded the Berg tape to the net because it was one of the videos of abuse that they obtained with the rest from AG and it was so damning that they decided to run it on the net for 90 minutes as a red herring because they feared it would eventually come out in the media?
I won't get into all the theories here about Nick Berg's identity and why he may have died under questioning by either the US MI or by contractors but...
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 04:38 PM
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45. Oh, There's A Lot Of Possibilities
:shrug:

Your guess is as good as mine. The only thing that's obvious is that all is not as it seems w/ the whole Berg situation.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 05:12 PM
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46. Further fueled by Oedipal and narcissistic crisis
Edited on Sun May-30-04 05:13 PM by chookie
I think people like Cheney and Rummy know that they can walk away from "public service", knowing that they will have made out like bandits by getting our country stuck in a military tarpit. There is a calm assurance to them, knowing that f they can avoid jail time, that regardless of how the war and election go, they are going to come out of it very very comfortable indeed.

But His Chimperial Highess -- I suspect its a different story. This is not enough for him. Here's a guy who cannot cope with the idea that there is a public perception that he is less than perfect. When facing mild criticism, he goes into psychological meltdown -- he has a narcissistic personality disorder and experiences a psychotic episode when confronted. Imagine his inner turmoil as he confronts the complete failure of his adminstration.

There has also been a very weird "Oedipal" aspect to this whole presidency. George W seems to HATE his old Dad; seems to have always hated him. He thinks of his Dad as weak. His mom ALSO thinks of his Dad as weak. George W has always wanted to "prove" himself to her, to show her how potent and masculine he is. It's been spooky how George W doesn't show respect for his Dad in public....I have little use for George Sr but it's got to hurt. Bush seems to have "killed off" his real Daddy, who he never consults, but instead has replaced him with a Bigger Badder Daddy, i.e. God the Father.

Although he had ideological reasons for going into Iraq, there was a psychological underpinning of "showing up Daddy." He also feels he must prove he has a bigger dick than his Daddy by gaining a second term.

Here we have it -- George W's soft underbelly exposed. Yeah, wealth, power are fun toys for this little monkey to play with, but beneath this runs a dangerous Oedipal conflict .
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:48 PM
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47. You'd Love Psychohistory

www.psychohistory.com

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