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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:42 AM
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C-Span 8:39 ET. Peter Ruff a UPI political analysts mentioning
"the best choices for Kerry's vicepresident."
He never mentioned Clark, Edwards, Richardson, etc.
I don't remember the names of two of the candidates he says "are the best choices" but one of the three is Bayh... It makes me think we might be surprised by Kerry actually choosing somebody to whom he owes political debts instead of the ones who might really make his ticket stronger.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:47 AM
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1. Commenting on Gore's speech:
A seminal moment of Gore's political life.
Ruff worked with many conservative figures.
Serious speech but it was delivered in an incredibly manic way that kills any chance for a nomination for Gore in the future.
There you have it folks: They admit he is right but then they imply he is CRAZY!
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:48 AM
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2. he and a caller conclude that al gore is clinically insane
based on his fiery speech the other day. the caller suggested that all liberals are actually mentally defective, and wired wrong in the head. see, see how they are 'de-humanizing' liberals, nazi style?
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:27 AM
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22. Don't ya think they are........
trying to get ahead of us saying bush is a mental case? Sooooo, they think they gotta make us crazy. Ha! They're desperate. I knew that guy on C-Span was a Repuke right away because as he was being seated, he totally ignored the staffer who was assisting him. Typical of those rude Repukes. He couldn't even nod his head at them. Handed him something to drink, yet STILL no sign of "hey thanks". Rude,rude,rude Repuke!
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:50 AM
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3. Somebody asking why Ruff did not mention Edwards, when
people would like Edwards?
Ruff says: "nice commercial for Edwards but people do not choose the VP but the nominee (in this case Kerry) chooses the VP."
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:51 AM
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5. Kerry won't choose him because he would overshadow Kerry on the
campaign trail. Boohoo.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:55 AM
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7. That part may be true. But the part about other Democrats who..
Edited on Sun May-30-04 07:55 AM by Kahuna
may want to run in '08 or '12 won't want to run against Edwards is idiotic on its face. If Edwards is the VP, of course he would be the presumptive nominee at the end of a Kerry presidency. That's the way it goes, jerkoff. :puke:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:51 AM
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4. His picks (barf alert) Evan Bayh, Tom Vilsak and Gary Locke..
:puke: :puke: :puke:
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:54 AM
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6. Another person wants Clark because of Iraq and because of
his stature. Ruff: the caller wants to invest on Clark a lot of the powers that Kerry should have.
Based on his performance on the primary, he does not have a lot support of the base out there except Arkansas.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:56 AM
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8. Ruff: the republican base is holding together. Bush's poll
numbers have come down because of Iraq. Starting Monday his numbers will come back up because he is going to start campaigning on economy and the transition in Iraq (my comment: yeah, the transition is going great!)
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:24 AM
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21. And what base is that that has nowhere to go?
The nuttiest extremists, etc. that is EXACTLY like but smaller than the opposite core everyone accuses the Dems of abandoning for richer pastures.

This is another slant on a bad situation. More like Travis happy at the Alamo that no one crossed the line. They still are going to get massacred and the testing will be months long for these "stalwarts".
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:58 AM
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9. OK: so why do the rightwingers feel that the DEMOCRATS SHOULD FOLLOW
their advice? We should believe that they have our interests at heart?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:59 AM
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10. Rev. Moon owns UPI. I doubt a UPI pol. anal. is going to say anything that
would help dems, like the truth.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:59 AM
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11. 'liberal hysteria'.......boy i'd like to smack this peter roff
fuck you peter
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:03 AM
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12. You took the words right out of my mouth.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:04 AM
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13. A woman caller said Ruff and the conservatives are underestimating
how upset people are with Bush. And she asked the guy about Gore's speech and flip-flops by Bush.
Asked him to address Bush's flip-flop.
He says that repugs made the mistake with Clinton thinking that others hated Clinton as much as they did.
HE CANNOT THINK OF ANY BUSH'S FLIP-FLOPS! My God. How much denial is he in?
UPI is owned by Moon isn't it?
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:10 AM
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14. This "manic style," "liberal hysteria" thing
This is their desperate attempt to make the chimp look good. This his how they try to defend his I-couldn't-care-less, who-gives-a-shit demeanor and his total inability to take anything seriously (or even think about anything for more than 15 seconds).

So now they are trying to convince the public that anyone who actually cares about anything is nuts. And it may work.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:13 AM
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15. The RW always uses mental stability as a last resort criticism when they
can't debate the issues.

Bush beat McCain in the primaries by planting seeds of menatl instability.

The RW in Venezuela try to portray Chavez as mad (there's actually a really informative segment in The Revolution Will Not be Televised about this).

There must be a fascist handbook somewhere which has a chapter on creating the impression that liberals are insane when they get too close to the truth.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:18 AM
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17. It has always seemed to me that the Right has always accused
the Left of being/doing the very thing they (the Right) are most guilty of themselves. I guess they feel it throws everyone "off the scent" and surprisingly it often works. I am starting to realize they know deep down they're nuts and are just flailing about.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:21 AM
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19. If you say it first as a lie about the other person...
...then if the other side says it about you, people hear sour grapes rather than the truth.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:21 AM
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20. It is amazing the propaganda used to make
liberals look hysterical because we don't agree with killing thousands of innocent people, we care about basic human rights, we believe in religious freedom, the environment and equal health care. We are so evil, we want all children to have a decent education, we believe in helping those in need and we would like to be able to voice our concerns without being spit upon by those who differ.

This BFEE has caused more division and hatred in this country than I could have ever imagined.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:14 AM
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16. This guy used to head GOPAC
I think he is the perfect face of the "Liberal Media"
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:20 AM
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18. I guess it is attack the messenger time
Watch Ruff EVERY time he is reporting on the campaign. He hate trashes Dems, puffs up the GOP. Soft cynicism over all but it always ends up discouraging Democrats and respecting GOP power- within the limits of believability.

I doubt anyone is confiding in him who is not equally a schmuck. Schmucks don't pick VP's. besides there are reveal complex and personal characteristics of the choice that make it tough for even Kerry to settle at this moment. I hardly think the outside handicappers should be smug in their opinions especially when they fly against common sense.

The main reason not to choose Edwards is the loss of a Senate seat. These cheap personal attacks show the kind of strained judgment that some ragged reporters use to primp up their gossip. It makes for lousy sportscasting and checking the record for how they have miscalculated Kerry's rise is required research before swallowing any of their statements whole.

Isn't this one of those guys that finally got a shave and started dressing neat for the election stretch???

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