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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:18 PM
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EVERYONE knows they are lying
A starkly honest assessment of the primacy of deceit for the Bushistas and their Flying Monkey Brigade, and American attitude towards it:

"Here’s a hint to you all: they – and their supporters – know they are liars. Most Americans know they are liars. And they don’t care. Americans are, frankly, okay with being lied to. In fact, they like it. They want you to tell them, "Just take this pill and you won’t have to exercise or eat right – you will be slim and in perfect shape and health." People know this is BS, but it gives them something that makes them feel okay and have some hope for a little while. Even more, Americans love people who openly, passionately embrace amorality and say to hell with all those things we’ve been told about what’s right or wrong.
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Bush’s poll numbers are not falling because the nation now believes that he lied – they knew it all along. His poll numbers are falling because his lies aren’t paying off. If gas prices were 85 cents a gallon and Iraq was stable, people again would pretend they didn’t believe the President or Condoleza or anyone at all lied to them. The polls would be saying the nation thinks the President is honest and trustworthy, as they did when people expected both of the above to be the outcome.
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They said they not only didn’t care that we had no coalition and that the President’s claim that we had one was a lie – they were glad, because we were going to be doing most of the fighting anyway – why should we send rebuilding contract money to anyone else. They considered – and this was their biggest miscalculation – truly that it would be the cakewalk Cheney talked about. They had images in their heads from the first Gulf War of those Iraqi soldiers in the desert kissing the hands of our troops as we came upon them, surrendering instantly and en masse. And they truly believed that we could – and would – only have to launch a few airstrikes and voila (though they avoided using this word from the evil French language,) the Iraqis would drop to their knees, kiss our hands, and, as Cheney said, welcome us with flowers.
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That is really what they thought. They never considered for a second that there would be difficulty in reorganizing the nation afterwards or – more naively – that the Iraqis might not just let us go take their oil. In fact, it was entirely clear that they never even considered this flowers-in-the-street, please-come-take-our-oil scenario might not pan out. They talked and talked about how easy it would be to defeat Saddam, but when asked - to a man – to name who they thought would be a good choice to take Saddam’s place after he was removed, not only did they not have a definite answer, they didn’t even have a single suggestion.
http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i4truth.htm




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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:35 PM
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1. The title of this article is scary:
HASN’T ANYONE EVER TALKED TO A REPUBLICAN?

Even The Left Doesn’t Seem To Know That Republicans – Not Just The Leadership – Knew They Were Lying And Were Proud Of It, Knew Sons Would Be Dying For Oil And Took Pride In Not Caring

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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:45 PM
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2. the whole article is scary because it is true.
A kick for a must-read.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:46 PM
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3. Last fall at a clothing optional party...
My friend brought his ex-son-in-law, who is a dittohead, along to broaden his experiences. He certainly enjoyed sitting in the hot tub sharing a joint with naked people for the weekend.

On the last day, we talked politics. He fended off most of my arguments by saying, "Well I don't read things..."

Finally, when I had listed many Bush falsifications, he ended with, "Well, sometimes you gotta lie."

--IMM
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:46 PM
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4. This is my fear as well. These people cannot be shamed or
humiliated, because they know exactly what they are doing and are proud of it. The swinging dicks and their hangers-on win again, and the rest of us become enslaved. It would make me wish for a disaster, except those bastards do well then, too, because that's an invitation to openly rape and pillage!
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2cents Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 03:19 PM
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5. Like water seeks the path
of least resistance, it's naturally understandable for some selfish folks to prefer disingenuous optimism over disturbing honesty.

I question the writer's assumption ("Most Americans know they are liars. And don't care.")

I don't know "most" Americans, but the majority of those I do know - care.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 03:31 PM
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6. I hear a lot of people say "well, all politicians lie"
when I confront them with Bush's lies.
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2cents Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 04:37 PM
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8. I'm sure some will never contemplate
the ramifications of the lies from this group.

But the writer said "most" folks know - and don't care.

I believe, whether it be war, corruption, jobs, deficit, education, environment - most folks that know and understand the unique severity of our predicament - care.

We'll see in Nov.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 04:26 PM
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7. Yes! That's what's going to save us!!
Ding ding ding ding ding! You're right -- most Americans, and most people globally, are decent, moral human beings. Most people on the planet are appalled by what is happening. And that is wonderful news! Only a small minority buy into this social pathology. That's the miscalculation the Bushistas have made, and it is going to bury them in infamy.
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