hey freedom lovin' americans- you MUST liberate North Korea!

"On Christmas Eve 2002, Pyongyang vowed to “destroy the earth” if anyone interfered with its interests. A similar threat was issued on February 6th 2003 when North Korea publicly stated it would wage “total war” on the United States by way of a pre-emptive nuclear strike. Propaganda posters from the country show missiles hitting the White House and other famous landmarks, along with North Korean soldiers depicted as giants, crushing American soldiers in their hands.

North Korea is controlled by a hereditary Stalinist dictatorship that has starved two million of its citizens to death in favour of building a million-man army. Some people put the figure at four million, one-quarter of the population. In the far north of the country there is a network of forced labor gulags (pictured below) where people who have ‘expressed a bland political opinion’ are, along with their entire families, tortured, raped and executed. Horrific bio-chemical experiments are performed on mass numbers of people. Babies are delivered and then stamped to death by the camp guards. If the mother screams while the guards are stamping on the baby’s neck, she is immediately assassinated by a firing squad. These guards are rewarded with bonuses and promotions for ripping out prisoners’ eyeballs. MSNBC published satellite photos of the concentration camps,
“Plainly visible are acres upon acres of barracks, laid out in regimented military style. Surrounding each of them is 10-foot-high barbed-wire fencing along with land mines and man traps. There is even a battery of anti-aircraft guns to prevent a liberation by airborne troops.”

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Does this sound like a regime that would respond to ‘diplomatic negotiations’? Saddam Hussein is a puppy compared to Kim Jong-Il and yet where is the invasion of North Korea? Where are the forces of the ‘free’ world?"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_watson_031003_psychopath.html

...caused bad faith and reinitiated the nuclear crisis.

<It has systematically refused to allow International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors into its nuclear facility at the Yongbyon research base north of the capital.

Delayed

Pyongyang has justified its refusals by pointing out that the reactors are way behind schedule.

They were originally expected to have been completed next year<2003>, but now construction is not expected to even begin until August.>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1908571.stm

Part of the reason the Koreans were starving is that the US induced them to shut down their nuclear power program in 1994 for security reasons during an energy crisis. To make up for it we agreed to deliver hundreds of thousands of tons of grain and fuel which we subsequently breached after the dispute over the American failure to deliver the replacement nuclear reactors. Currently we are trying to starve and threaten them into submission.

Maybe the high risk anti-humanitarian policy it will work. Truly the north is a totalitarian police state but our equally nutty neo-con leadership (which has already proven itself incompetent in Iraq), has taken a bad situation and made it much more dangerous by driving the desperate regime in the corner and refusing to give it a way out. The policy is more likely to result in the very proliferation risk that it purports to defend against.

The diatribe above is one sided propaganda with several unsupported allegations and distortions. Like Iraq, should the situation result in war, we will ultimately find out some of the critical propaganda bullet points were not true. The propagandists figure, given the huge cultural and language barriers, the truth won't come out for fifty years. Perhaps we should remember that the goal of American bombing campaigns in the Korean conflict were to leave no structure standing in North Korea and that they succeeded. Maybe this explains their collective paranoia.

The conventional military and economic power of the northern regime is crumbling, this makes them all the more dangerous in proliferation terms. We should follow the lead of S. Korea's sunshine policy to stabilize the situation, instead of our reactionary practice of opposing S.Korean initiatives in every way possible. It is as if we westerners think we know more about N.Korea, than the South Koreans. What is wrong with that picture?

Ultimately, the north will fail from internal collapse. They should be allowed to fall peacefully into the hands of southern leadership, that they feel they can trust, out of concern for the humanitarian crisis and the desire to manage the proliferation issue peacefully with common sense incentives for cooperation.

Negotiation is the path to resolve security problems in Northeast Asia. Leading experts on proliferation such as former Defense Secretary William Perry and former Senator Sam Nunn are agreed on this point. There is no "military solution" to the proliferation problem in N. Korea. After listening to the crazy rantings and ravings of Bolten and Cheney, Chinese diplomats have said that they are unable to negotiate concerning N. Korea because "the Americans don't have a policy in northeast Asia."

I hope even the conscienceless chickenhawks balk at such a terrible plan but they could(as Clinton said HE would) bomb the beans out of NK's nuke facilities. If they dare strike back in any massive way, especially with a nuke, then we retaliate with the big one.

They have said this in all their circles, that the nuke option should just be another gun in the arsenal. That thinking shows me how dangerous these people are and how glad I will be with a Kerry win in November and no more blood and madness had happened between then and now.

This is not something the usual whistleblowing can thwart. What can stop them from ramping up this nightmare at any time?

...where the "threatening facilities" are. They have an extensive underground network of facilities that are for practical purposes untargetable.

Therefore, a strike would be futile and lead to the worst case scenario. The consideration of striking under the current political and tactical circumstances is really just a form of racism. If this were a country populated by western Europeans, it wouldn't even be considered.

But here is the probable outcome of the ultimate stupidity and ignorance: China will defend the North and successfully. The northern half of the peninsula is in its sphere of influence. Anyone who doesn't think so is making the same strategic blunder MacArthur did. Anyone who doesn't think so doesn't understand that it is the balance of great powers that governs the affairs on the peninsula, not the dictates of Washington and Pyongyang. This is why it is so much wiser to facilitate the fall of N. Korea peacefully into the waiting embrace of the South.

seems to be the prevailing wisdom in many third world countries these days. I can't say I blame them.

"We're a nation with a mission, and that mission comes from our most basic beliefs. We believe that freedom is the right of every single person in the world. By the unselfish dedication of Americans in uniform, people in our own country and in lands far away, people can live in freedom and know the peace that freedom brings."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040217-5.html

The American military should explain to Bush that it is not the responsibility of the US to bring freedom to every single person in the world.

there's NO NEED to liberate that country :D

I think the professor is just pointing out bushco's hypocrisy in its supposed crusade to save the world. When * marched into Iraq he clearly expected an easy victory and the powers behind the throne thought striking a wartime pose was to their benefit. The idea that they have any concern with anyone else's freedom is just a canard to mask their ulterior motives. They don't even care about our freedom. Bushco isn't standing up to any country that jeopardizes its image. Like any schoolyard bullies, they're just looking for weak and scared targets. You have to wonder if they could have foreseen the result of their misguided Iraq policy, might they have chosen a different path? Is there a worse treason, "to do the right thing for the wrong reason?"

done anything to stop Kim Jong-Il is the best argument out there for taking dictators out before they acquire nuclear weapons.