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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:44 AM
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Poll question: Who (has) damaged journalism most?
I probably should have added an "ever" at the end of the subject line, but a) it sounded funny and b) most means most and so covers "ever".

You know, I have a shrewd idea who's going to win this thing?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:47 AM
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1. It was a HUGE toss-up..
between Murdoch, Ailes and Novak. I voted for Murdoch because of how much he OWNS. He has what? 120 newspapers across the world and he hires ONLY repubs to work them. Then throw in his TV networks and radio? and he's a real danger.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:56 AM
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7. I'll second that
Who has hurt journalism as much as Murdoch?
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:48 AM
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2. I think we can trace the descent back to Geraldo...
...and if not him specifically, the whole "A Current Affair"-style "journalism" that became so popular, and indeed I think gave birth to Faux.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:52 AM
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3. The right wing
Some of us on the left noticed they were putting together cartels of rich businessmen and buying up newspapers, radio stations, TV outlets and magazines. The result is that we now have just six corporations owning the major media in this country. There are few independent radio stations and fewer independent newspapers left.

This is why we get sanitized, corporatized McNews, McMusic and McEntertainment, and this is the reason journalism is all but dead as a profession. One is expected to sit at one's desk and wait for press releases. That is the news one is permitted to report.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:52 AM
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4. Richard Mellon Skaife.
Need I say more? Ok, I will :P...Murdoch took his cues from Skaife and his American Spectator, his funding of Limbaugh, Newsmax, WorldNutDaily...all money losers, but funded so they can make a lot of noise.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:10 PM
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18. They took their cues from Hearst
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:21 PM
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33. Yeah, I wish I'd put on Scaife rather than get cute with Mallard Fillmore
I just blanked on him, but he certainly is another world-class shitweasel.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:54 AM
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5. Gutenberg?
:shrug:
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:01 PM
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24. I actually considered putting him on
but decided there's a slight but important difference between "making it possible" and "ruining it":)
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:55 AM
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6. Sorry, had to go with Novak. Murdoch is a scheming, lying, greedy,
no-conscience bastard, this goes without saying. But Novak uses his clout to promote lie on top of lie, outed a CIA operative, goes on television and promotes his one-sided neoconservative crap, and does it with complete immunity. He feels he is above the law, above the rules that are supposed to guide journalists, and thinks he's some kind of God who is now passing on to us his own revises version of the Commandments, that we are all to worship at his feet as he spews in blatantly facist crap.

Novak is a dangerous man. He is like bush* & Co. Totally without conscience and without the ability to think thirty seconds into the future. He's been around too long, and the propaganda line that he spews out has been a horrible influence because people see the name 'Robert Novak' and they mistakenly think that they are reading the words of some great intellectual who is imparting the words of reality and wisdom. But he is just promoting his own agenda and that of this corrupt regime.

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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:57 AM
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8. Rupert Murdoch has converted journalism..
..into a production line of propaganda.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:58 AM
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9. If you include Blair
You have to include Stephen Glass too. Just watched "Shattered Glass" a few weeks ago. That kid was fucked up.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:12 PM
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29. do you recomend the move Shattered Glass? (nt)
nt
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:32 PM
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30. Yeah, I thought it was pretty good
And the entire cast seemed to put forth good performances.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:28 PM
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34. I certainly do. It's great. And it gives you insights into the mentality
at work here. Good movie. Good acting.
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:01 AM
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10. Hearst started the "dollars before journalism" method
"You provide the pictures, I'll provide the war."
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:01 AM
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11. Corporate America damaged journalism the most. N/T
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:59 PM
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27. Make that "corporate personhood"
and I think we have a match! :toast:
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:03 AM
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12. yep..Rupert Murdoch
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:06 AM
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13. Tie between Robert Bork

(who killed the fairness doctrine), and the decision by
corporate America to require television news divisions to
turn a profit.

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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:17 PM
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19. Was that Bork?
I'd always attributed it to Reagan. But yeah, the end of the fairness doctrine was one of the greatest blows against journalism, and outweighs the contributions of individual media whores and their corporate masters. I seem to recall Gingrich being involved in it, too.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:34 PM
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20. Yup, that was Bork.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID66/10487.html

It was one of the reasons why the Democrats refused
to confirm him for the SCOTUS.

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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:13 AM
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14. Profits
It's not one man, although a few of them on that list certainly helped the current trend happen. If it wasn't one of them however, it would've been someone else. All in the name of profit.

I wonder why people sometimes wonder how Murdoch could allow a show like "The Simpson's" on his network, even when they take shots at him, like in this year's season finale. It's because it makes money. He knows that nobody can touch him. And I doubt many people watch "The Simpson's" for the political twist the show has from time to time. It's been said plenty that the show works on many levels. But most people watch the show for the laughs.

Which is why he runs NewsCorp/Fox News the way he does. He saw that there was a "market" for that kind of news. It makes him a ton of money, and if it makes the people that get their news from Fox dumber, what does he care? He's not in it for the news, he's in it for the money.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:35 AM
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15. Something Else: Money.....
and Greed. Throw in pretty boys and gorgeous blonds, as #1 prerequisite for the job. Well connected by wealth and elitist name a must. Experience and Education don't matter.

Best ideal female reporter, highly educated with top credentials; Christian Amanpour.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:37 AM
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16. Themselves

I blame them

they let the criminal bushgang mess up their integrity
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:55 AM
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17. (Half tongue-in-cheek)
Don Hewitt, who gets credit for elevating the T.V. "infotainment" -style that eventually gave us the fluffy personalities that read the news for CNN.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:44 PM
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21. George Herbert Walker Bush...
...for vetoing the legislative version of the Fairness Doctrine in 1989, after the FCC regulatory version was shot down by the courts in 1987. Though the Fairness Doctrine applied to broadcast journalism, the slide into packaged propaganda that it enabled has dragged all journalism into the mud.

Then there's the neutering of intent behind the Rule of Sevens, which enabled the 2,000+ companies that owned the 29,000+ major media outlets in 1989 to be gobbled up by 6 mega-corporations, creating the monopolized narrowing of the agenda we see today.

Now we have a living, breating Pravda-press of our own.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:59 PM
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22. Any Publicly Held Corporation
that values their stockholders' returns over journalistic ethics.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:13 PM
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23. Bill Clinton
Edited on Mon May-31-04 01:16 PM by DaveSZ
He signed the Telecom (Deregulation) Act of 1996 - paving the way for Faux and McNews.

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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:03 PM
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25. if you include Murdoch....
...then you should also include Conrad Black as well.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:06 PM
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26. Is Novak a journalist?? or just a piece of shit with bad dentures?
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:05 PM
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28. What has damaged journalism? propaganda
n/t
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:42 PM
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31. Other: Richard Mellon Scaife
in the words of al franken...

Richard Mellon "fucking communist cunt" Scaife
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:03 PM
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32. Hearst the pioneer, but Scaife, Murdoch and Moon are modern cancers
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