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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 01:08 AM
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Schwarzenegger=a perfect diversion for Rove and policy...
Edited on Wed Aug-13-03 02:07 AM by Oracle
9-11, Afanganistan, Iraq (though OIL was the main ingredient they were after there) etc. etc. Is Rove that good? To get his agenda...ideology..the cutting of benefits and environmental destruction and back to enforcing the Patriot Act...with his projected smokescreen...things have been a bit slow and sinking for Karl these days. This should be an anticipated response to his moves.

No? I'm absolutely convinvced Rove is two years ahead of any Democrat...the man is fucking slimy but effective. (Understatement!)

Previous CA mouthpiece, Republican Guv, Pete Wilson, (for eight years) will become Schwarzenegger, ego, conciseness and moral equivalent for Arnold to pretend is his own...for the press to jack-off with...feed to us...and we will accept as gospel.

He smokes a joint. WOW, enough to turn my head...and who's impressed...his philosophy, does he have one? It'll be Pete
Wilson's...(With Washington money, Wilson will show Schwarzenegger, the promised land...how to win CA.)

Anything, to get a Republican elected with a minute amount of voters going to the polls (it's the Republican way) as opposed to the last election...Gray Davis WON, just ten month's ago... legally and fair by the people voting...not some rich Republican asshole who can pay for a recall. And now we have THIS....

It's so much more than what's going to happen... BUSH California 2004...Mandate...???

It's much more...I'm sure you see...

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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 01:19 AM
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1. agreed
Can't argue that.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 02:13 AM
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2. I hear you it's a drag.
I'm pretty sure the real reason for this is to get the state to back off the energy companies and to change appointments to key duties specific to that task.

There's a lot of appointments Arnold will be able to select that deal with a lot of the states energy policies.
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 02:36 AM
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3. Please elaborate...
Edited on Wed Aug-13-03 02:43 AM by Oracle
What positions are up for citical decisions...being somewhat and somewhere aware, ---Keeep in mine---I'm tequlia high right now, (and much better than Arnolds smoke...organic, clean and you wouldn't believe.) but please does it ALWAYS come down to OIL, energy...in this situation too? I'm never usually this disenchanted and navie.

I see smokescreens by Rove as motive...but seriously what's up?

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 03:06 AM
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5. IT's late and I'm getting ready to crash
Somewhere, might not be an online article, I have a list of all the governor appointed positions there are in the state. These positioons are mostly political payback for both parties but weild a great deal of power such as the coastal commission, PUC etc. At any rate, this search will glean considerable info.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=governor+Appointed+positions+california&btnG=Google+Search
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 03:28 AM
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6. Rove knows what he's doing
Edited on Wed Aug-13-03 03:30 AM by Hippo_Tron
Carl Rove knows exactly who he wants in what position to better advance the Bush administration's agenda. Look at Bill Frist, Rove picked the perfect replacement for Trent Lott. Does what the right tells him but isn't a traditional politician so he's still likeable. In California there's no question, Schwarzenegger is the only popular Republican and quite frankly I don't think George Bush knows anymore about fixing an economy than Schwarzenegger does, that's why these guys have advisors.

BTW This recall is the perfect example of how we always need to be looking at our old laws and reconsidering them. If you have a law in place that allows you to recall the governor, you should expect the party out of power to use it if they can find a way that's just politics.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 03:55 AM
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7. blind leading the blind
> quite frankly I don't think George Bush knows anymore about fixing an economy than Schwarzenegger does, that's why these guys have advisors.

...who obviously don't know anything about fixing the economy either,
(unless you mean "fix" it so it works only for them,
just like they fixed the voting machinez in Georgia)

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 07:34 AM
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8. Hi Hippo_Tron!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 07:42 AM
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9. ONLY IF YOU LET IT HAPPEN
Keep to the main tent.
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 04:45 PM
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11. Will the main tent solve the problem of money?
Edited on Wed Aug-13-03 04:52 PM by Oracle
Most elections now days are won or lost with money and 15 second ads on Fox, CNN and local...And this recall election will be even more influnced by money and a big name (as stupid as that big name and person is) with less than two month's to prepare...

No time for grassroots helping...Democrats, Greens, liberals, progressives, "moderates" won't help (they are on a fence and don't know which way to jump.) and even principled (if there is such a thing) Republicans must get out that day and vote against the recall...then all of Arnolds and the Republican's money wont mean shit.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/13/financial1529EDT0203.DTL
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 08:18 AM
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10. Bush himself seems to see Arnold more as a rival
Edited on Wed Aug-13-03 08:25 AM by Snellius
Bush's comments about the Terminator are revealing into his own competitive, muscle-boy instincts. He said in his press conference, for example, that he would never arm wrestle with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Q What do you think of Arnold Schwarzenegger and would you consider campaigning for him?

THE PRESIDENT: I will never arm wrestle Arnold Schwarzenegger. (Laughter.) No matter how hard I try, I'll never lift as much weight as he does.

On edit: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/08/20030808-1.html

Some psychohistorian will have a field day putting all this together one day, like with Nixon. Arrogance, because it lacks any self-criticism, is often more revealing than it wants to appear.

What Rove has to fear is what Arnold may come to represent if he wins -- the model of a moderate or even liberal Republican with popular appeal spells a direct threat to the fundamentalist, conservative wing that is the spiritual and activist hardcore of the Republican party.

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