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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:43 PM
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If I hear "freedom isn't free" one more time
I'm going to go insane.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:44 PM
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1. Then their plan is working...
You must resist. You must not let the terrorists win. :D
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:44 PM
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2. But dude...freedom *ISN'T* free.
Love,

Candyman Karl Rove

:P
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:45 PM
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3. No more free rides!
Damn freedom riders!

;)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:45 PM
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4. But if the cost of freedom happens to be the freedom we enjoy, then
there's no point, is there?

May as well cure diseases by killing all the patients. And where's the profit in that?
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:57 PM
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5. Why isn't freedom free?
If ever anything should be free, it's freedom. The only reason it's not is that rich and powerful men need it as an excuse to send other people's children off to die in wars that make them richer and more powerful. If these criminals really cared about freedom, they'd use their wealth and power and their vast network of spooks to get rid of (other) non-freedom-loving dictators before they become a problem, instead of financing and arming and propping them up until it becomes more profitable to take them out in the name of freedom.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:04 PM
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6. There a great protest song by that name.
I think listening to that might be a good antidote for waht ails ya. I'll see if I cna find the link again.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:08 PM
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7. Here's a link.
I used to ahve a better one that had tons of protest music on it, but when I changed CPUs I lost it.

http://www.mp3sound.com/download.php?id=1076389&key=5c229748549959a6f1624203e5717b8b
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electricmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:32 PM
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8. I Won't Pay For Liberty
by Angelic Upstarts

So you, you can’t live in peace so why, why should we.
War mongering everyday, it costs us to be free.
Living under clouds of hate that control our destiny.
I won’t follow your rules of hate cause I’m fighting to be free.

I won’t pay for liberty, I think it should be free.
You always want to take so much, but you won’t be taking me.
You won’t be taking me.

Are you gunna stand in line waiting for the time
waiting till your numbers up but you won’t be hearing mine
‘Cause I won't be a fool for you there’s no way I’m happy to
‘cause I know what your gunna tell me to do.

I won’t pay for liberty, I think it should be free.
You always want to take so much, but you won’t be taking me.
You won’t be taking me.

I won’t pay for liberty, I think it should be free.
You always want to take so much, but you won’t be taking me.
You won’t be taking me.

I won’t pay for liberty, I think it should be free.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:40 PM
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9. I now enjoy freedoms I could once only dream of
now that Saddam is out of power, people here in Texas can worship whatever God they want. I hadn't been able to go to Catholic mass since '59 and now I can. I can speak freely about the government(except of course when it hurts the troops), and I can gather peacefully to protest policies and other things that I disagree with(except when people driving cars can see me, because that might distract them and cause wrecks) And I owe it all to my countryman's sacrifices in Iraq! How can people honestly believe this line of reasoning? I guess you can chalk it up to a catchy slogan repeated til it is just accepted.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:48 PM
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10. Freedom IS free for the Bushes of the world...n/t
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:54 PM
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11. Okay , All you have say in return is this
Edited on Mon May-31-04 01:57 PM by proud patriot
" Sure it is shoot under bush for the first time in history
we actually get a tax cut durring wartime"

"Where is the sacrafice from the rest of America while
our Soldiers Need Body Armor ?"

"It's about to be 120 degrees in Iraq , last summer
out soldiers only got 2 liters of water a day , and 1
MRE to eat."

"Our tax Dollars are going to pay private Mercenaries
at the cost of 30,000 dollars a month per."

"Just What have you sacrificed for our Soldiers Sir?
Enjoy your Tax Cut "

:grr: "Why don't you support out troops and get your
head out of bush's butt?"
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:59 PM
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15. I hadn't thought of that one
"Just What have you sacrificed for our Soldiers Sir?"

Yeah, really. What price are the morans who use the phrase paying. Unfortunately, I probably won't have much chance to ask since most of the "freedom isn't free" crap I see is on Church signs.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:39 PM
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20. Hey, I was there last summer
And I had all the water and MRE's I needed (and then some - MRE's get old quick, thank God for Iraqi kabobs) and no, I was not in the "rear with the gear" either.

I also had an Interceptor vest with ballistic plate, although not everyone had it.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:51 PM
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21. First off , thank you for your service and welcome home
I'm so glad you did have all the water you needed .

The soldiers near the palaces and supply lines did
have mostly what they needed , but not everyone did .

Thanks again

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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:57 PM
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12. It is free
It was endowed to us by our Creator. (So said some very wise men.)
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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:57 PM
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13. how truly Orwellian
Yet another example of how conservative Republicans use exactly the same tactics in their use of propaganda as the Stalinists did, even if not the same rhetoric or ideology.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:57 PM
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14. Just tell them that it is a lie.
The Enlightenment thinkers and the Founding Fathers believed that freedom is not something any pays for, whether with their life or with something else, but it is something that is a fundamental human right. It is given by God (according to them) and is not guaranteed by armies or governments, but forever threatened by them.

So if someone says freedom isn't free, tell them that they are wrong.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:10 PM
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16. Thomas Jefferson
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:23 PM
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17. How about "Failure is not an option."
As if people deliberately choose to fail; that it's always a matter of choice.
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keep_left Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:23 PM
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18. I'll start agreeing with them...
only when they start talking about how women's suffrage, labor unions, worker protections, environmental regulations, etc. are part of what they call "freedom". THAT'S the stuff that isn't free. Every single one of those rights was fought for, largely by people we'll never remember and who never appear in the history books.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:34 PM
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19. Somebody paid...at the suffrage movement, civil rights, shattered
Edited on Mon May-31-04 02:47 PM by vetwife
Lives, or at the Cross. (for Christian believers).Somebody paid.
Freedom is not free. Watch Iron Jawed Angels, (suffrage movement)
The Civil Rights MOvement, The Stand off at Wounded Knee. When one is willing to take the heat and pay a price for dissent or a dream, then somebody pays for that equality. Freedom ..We are not free now. But we are more free than some. We are less free than others. But ALWAYS..some people pays the price.

As far as soldiers. There is a difference the warior and the war. The men and women who fight the battles don't choose their battles and the ones who plan war, do not fight them. Lies, propoganda, whatever, there has to be some sort of military even as if in Canada so we don't get blown away from people that maybe we don't even know about. There will always be war and I am not for it. War never settled anything and at the end of the day it always comes down to the negotiationg table. But someone had to pay a price for bad decisions that usually start..NO..scratch that. THAT ALWAYS COME FROM THE TOP.
My husband pays daily for the lies and propoganda in Vietnam. He didn't have a choice. He didn't choose his battles and he will never be free of the guilt and trauma of that war but Freedom is supposed to be free but so is equality.
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:28 PM
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22. The Bush regime is the greatest threat to our freedom...
that I've seen in my lifetime. :grr:
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Unperson 309 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:34 PM
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23. Freedom's Just Another Word For
Nothin' left to lose.
And nothin' aint worth nothin'
If it aint free.
Feelin' good was freedom, Lord
When Bobbie sang the blues
And feelin' good was good enough for me,
Good enough for me and my Bobbie McGee!

309

Channelling Janis, tonight
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:09 PM
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24. "Up, Up with People" (nt)
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