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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:49 PM
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Speaking of conspiracies ... ONE name at the heart of all these
Nor, finally, is it in any way a "theory" that the one, single name that can be directly linked to the Third Reich, the US military industrial complex, Skull and Bones, Eastern Establishment good ol' boys, the Illuminati, Big Texas Oil, the Bay of Pigs, the Miami Cubans, the Mafia, the FBI, the JFK assassination, the New World Order, Watergate, the Republican National Committee, Eastern European fascists, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, CIA headquarters, the October Surprise, the Iran/Contra scandal, Inslaw, the Christic Institute, Manuel Noriega, drug-running "freedom fighters" and death squads, Iraqgate, Saddam Hussein, weapons of mass destruction, the blood of innocents, the savings and loan crash, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, the "Octopus," the "Enterprise," the Afghan mujaheddin, the War on Drugs, Mena (Arkansas), Whitewater, Sun Myung Moon, the Carlyle Group, Osama bin Laden and the Saudi royal family, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and the presidency and vice-presidency of the United States, is: George Herbert Walker Bush.

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From this superb article, posted in full (see permission at end):
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html

Paranoid shift

By Michael Hasty
Online Journal Contributing Writer

January 10, 2004—Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."

The transformation of James Jesus Angleton from an enthusiastic, Ivy League cold warrior, to a bitter old man, is an extreme example of a phenomenon I call a "paranoid shift." I recognize the phenomenon, because something similar happened to me.

Although I don't remember ever meeting James Jesus Angleton, I worked at the CIA myself as a low-level clerk as a teenager in the '60s. This was at the same time I was beginning to question the government's actions in Vietnam. In fact, my personal "paranoid shift" probably began with the disillusionment I felt when I realized that the story of American foreign policy was, at the very least, more complicated and darker than I had hitherto been led to believe.

But for most of the next 30 years, even though I was a radical, I nevertheless held faith in the basic integrity of a system where power ultimately resided in the people, and whereby if enough people got together and voted, real and fundamental change could happen.

What constitutes my personal paranoid shift is that I no longer believe this to be necessarily true.

In his book, "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower," William Blum warns of how the media will make anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" an immediate "object of ridicule." This prevents the media from ever having to investigate the many strange interconnections among the ruling class—for example, the relationship between the boards of directors of media giants, and the energy, banking and defense industries. These unmentionable topics are usually treated with what Blum calls "the media's most effective tool—silence." But in case somebody's asking questions, all you have to do is say, "conspiracy theory," and any allegation instantly becomes too frivolous to merit serious attention.

On the other hand, since my paranoid shift, whenever I hear the words "conspiracy theory" (which seems more often, lately) it usually means someone is getting too close to the truth.

Take September 11—which I identify as the date my paranoia actually shifted, though I didn't know it at the time.

Unless I'm paranoid, it doesn't make any sense at all that George W. Bush, commander-in-chief, sat in a second-grade classroom for 20 minutes after he was informed that a second plane had hit the World Trade Center, listening to children read a story about a goat. Nor does it make sense that the Number 2 man, Dick Cheney—even knowing that "the commander" was on a mission in Florida—nevertheless sat at his desk in the White House, watching TV, until the Secret Service dragged him out by the armpits.

Unless I'm paranoid, it makes no sense that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld sat at his desk until Flight 77 hit the Pentagon—well over an hour after the military had learned about the multiple hijacking in progress. It also makes no sense that the brand-new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff sat in a Senate office for two hours while the 9/11 attacks took place, after leaving explicit instructions that he not be disturbed—which he wasn't.

In other words, while the 9/11 attacks were occurring, the entire top of the chain of command of the most powerful military in the world sat at various desks, inert. Why weren't they in the "Situation Room?" Don't any of them ever watch "West Wing?"

In a sane world, this would be an object of major scandal. But here on this side of the paranoid shift, it's business as usual.

Years, even decades before 9/11, plans had been drawn up for American forces to take control of the oil interests of the Middle East, for various imperialist reasons. And these plans were only contingent upon "a catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor," to gain the majority support of the American public to set the plans into motion. When the opportunity presented itself, the guards looked the other way . . . and presto, the path to global domination was open.

Simple, as long as the media played along. And there is voluminous evidence that the media play along. Number one on Project Censored's annual list of underreported stories in 2002 was the Project for a New American Century (now the infrastructure of the Bush Regime), whose report, published in 2000, contains the above "Pearl Harbor" quote.

Why is it so hard to believe serious people who have repeatedly warned us that powerful ruling elites are out to dominate "the masses?" Did we think Dwight Eisenhower was exaggerating when he warned of the extreme "danger" to democracy of "the military industrial complex?" Was Barry Goldwater just being a quaint old-fashioned John Bircher when he said that the Trilateral Commission was "David Rockefeller's latest scheme to take over the world, by taking over the government of the United States?" Were Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt or Joseph Kennedy just being class traitors when they talked about a small group of wealthy elites who operate as a hidden government behind the government? Especially after he died so mysteriously, why shouldn't we believe the late CIA Director William Colby, who bragged about how the CIA "owns everyone of any major significance in the major media?"

Why can't we believe James Jesus Angleton—a man staring eternal judgment in the face—when he says that the founders of the Cold War national security state were only interested in "absolute power?" Especially when the descendant of a very good friend of Allen Dulles now holds power in the White House.

Prescott Bush, the late, aristocratic senator from Connecticut, and grandfather of George W Bush, was not only a good friend of Allen Dulles, CIA director, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and international business lawyer. He was also a client of Dulles' law firm. As such, he was the beneficiary of Dulles' miraculous ability to scrub the story of Bush's treasonous investments in the Third Reich out of the news media, where it might have interfered with Bush's political career . . . not to mention the presidential careers of his son and grandson.

Recently declassified US government documents, unearthed last October by investigative journalist John Buchanan at the New Hampshire Gazette, reveal that Prescott Bush's involvement in financing and arming the Nazis was more extensive than previously known. Not only was Bush managing director of the Union Banking Corporation, the American branch of Hitler's chief financier's banking network; but among the other companies where Bush was a director—and which were seized by the American government in 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act—were a shipping line which imported German spies; an energy company that supplied the Luftwaffe with high-ethyl fuel; and a steel company that employed Jewish slave labor from the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Like all the other Bush scandals that have been swept under the rug in the privatized censorship of the corporate media, these revelations have been largely ignored, with the exception of a single article in the Associated Press. And there are those, even on the left, who question the current relevance of this information.

But Prescott Bush's dealings with the Nazis do more than illustrate a family pattern of genteel treason and war profiteering—from George Senior's sale of TOW missiles to Iran at the same time he was selling biological and chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein, to Junior's zany misadventures in crony capitalism in present-day Iraq.

More disturbing by far are the many eerie parallels between Adolph Hitler and George W. Bush:

A conservative, authoritarian style, with public appearances in military uniform (which no previous American president has ever done while in office). Government by secrecy, propaganda and deception. Open assaults on labor unions and workers' rights. Preemptive war and militant nationalism. Contempt for international law and treaties. Suspiciously convenient "terrorist" attacks, to justify a police state and the suspension of liberties. A carefully manufactured image of "The Leader," who's still just a "regular guy" and a "moderate." "Freedom" as the rationale for every action. Fantasy economic growth, based on unprecedented budget deficits and massive military spending.

And a cold, pragmatic ideology of fascism—including the violent suppression of dissent and other human rights; the use of torture, assassination and concentration camps; and most important, Benito Mussolini's preferred definition of "fascism" as "corporatism, because it binds together the interests of corporations and the state."

By their fruits, you shall know them.

What perplexes me most is probably the same question that plagues most paranoiacs: why don't other people see these connections?

Oh, sure, there may be millions of us, lurking at websites like Online Journal, From the Wilderness, Center for Cooperative Research, and the Center for Research on Globalization, checking out right-wing conspiracists and the galaxy of 9/11 sites, and reading columnists like Chris Floyd at the Moscow Times, and Maureen Farrell at Buzzflash. But we know we are only a furtive minority, the human remnant among the pod people in the live-action, 21st-century version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."

And being paranoid, we have to figure out, with an answer that fits into our system, why more people don't see the connections we do. Fortunately, there are a number of possible explanations.

First on the list would have to be what Marshal McLuhan called the "cave art of the electronic age:" advertising. Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Karl Rove, gave credit for most of his ideas on how to manipulate mass opinion to American commercial advertising, and to the then-new science of "public relations." But the public relations universe available to the corporate empire that rules the world today makes the Goebbels operation look primitive. The precision of communications technology and graphics; the century of research on human psychology and emotion; and the uniquely centralized control of triumphant post-Cold War monopoly capitalism, have combined to the point where "the manufacture of consent" can be set on automatic pilot.

A second major reason people won't make the paranoid shift is that they are too fundamentally decent. They can't believe that the elected leaders of our country, the people they've been taught through 12 years of public school to admire and trust, are capable of sending young American soldiers to their deaths and slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent civilians, just to satisfy their greed—especially when they're so rich in the first place. Besides, America is good, and the media are liberal and overly critical.

Third, people don't want to look like fools. Being a "conspiracy theorist" is like being a creationist. The educated opinion of eminent experts on every TV and radio network is that any discussion of "oil" being a motivation for the US invasion of Iraq is just out of bounds, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a "conspiracy theorist." We can trust the integrity of our 'no-bid" contracting in Iraq, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a "conspiracy theorist." Of course, people sometimes make mistakes, but our military and intelligence community did the best they could on and before September 11, and anybody who thinks otherwise is a "conspiracy theorist."

Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole assassin of JFK, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a "conspiracy theorist."

Perhaps the biggest hidden reason people don't make the paranoid shift is that knowledge brings responsibility. If we acknowledge that an inner circle of ruling elites controls the world's most powerful military and intelligence system; controls the international banking system; controls the most effective and far-reaching propaganda network in history; controls all three branches of government in the world's only superpower; and controls the technology that counts the people's votes, we might be then forced to conclude that we don't live in a particularly democratic system. And then voting and making contributions and trying to stay informed wouldn't be enough. Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance"—like the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government; and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it would be doomed from the start.

Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A paradigm shift.

But as a paranoid, I'm ready to join the resistance. And the main reason is I no longer think that the "conspiracy" is much of a "theory."

That the US House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that the murder of John Fitzgerald Kennedy was "probably" the result of "a conspiracy," and that 70 percent of Americans agree with this conclusion, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That the Bay of Pigs fiasco, "Operation Zapata," was organized by members of Skull and Bones, the ghoulish and powerful secret society at Yale University whose membership also included Prescott, George Herbert Walker and George W Bush; that two of the ships that carried the Cuban counterrevolutionaries to their appointment with absurdity were named the "Barbara" and the "Houston"—George HW Bush's city of residence at the time—and that the oil company Bush owned, then operating in the Caribbean area, was named "Zapata," is not "theory." It's fact.

That George Bush was the CIA director who kept the names of what were estimated to be hundreds of American journalists, considered to be CIA "assets," from the Church Committee, the US Senate Intelligence Committe chaired by Senator Frank Church that investigated the CIA in the 1970s; that a 1971 University of Michigan study concluded that, in America, the more TV you watched, the less you knew; and that a recent survey by international scholars found that Americans were the most "ignorant" of world affairs out of all the populations they studied, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That the Council on Foreign Relations has a history of influence on official US government foreign policy; that the protection of US supplies of Middle East oil has been a central element of American foreign policy since the Second World War; and that global oil production has been in decline since its peak year, 2000, is not "theory." It's fact.

That, in the early 1970s, the newly-formed Trilateral Commission published a report which recommended that, in order for "globalization" to succeed, American manufacturing jobs had to be exported, and American wages had to decline, which is exactly what happened over the next three decades; and that, during that same period, the richest one percent of Americans doubled their share of the national wealth, is not "theory." It's fact.

That, beyond their quasi-public role as agents of the US Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve Banks are profit-making corporations, whose beneficiaries include some of America's wealthiest families; and that the United States has a virtual controlling interest in the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the World Trade Organization, the three dominant global financial institutions, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That—whether it's heroin from Southeast Asia in the '60s and '70s, or cocaine from Central America and heroin from Afghanistan in the '80s, or cocaine from Colombia in the '90s, or heroin from Afghanistan today—no major CIA covert operation has ever lacked a drug smuggling component, and that the CIA has hired Nazis, fascists, drug dealers, arms smugglers, mass murderers, perverts, sadists, terrorists and the Mafia, is not "theory." It's fact.

That the international oil industry is the dominant player in the global economy; that the Bush family has a decades-long business relationship with the Saudi royal family, Saudi oil money, and the family of Osama bin Laden; that, as president, both George Bushes have favored the interests of oil companies over the public interest; that both George Bushes have personally profited financially from Middle East oil; and that American oil companies doubled their records for quarterly profits in the months just preceding the invasion of Iraq, is not "theory." It's fact.

That the 2000 presidential election was deliberately stolen; that the pro-Bush/anti-Gore bias in the corporate media had spiked markedly in the last three weeks of the campaign; that corporate media were then virtually silent about the Florida recount; and that the Bush 2000 team had planned to challenge the legitimacy of the election if George W had won the popular, but lost the electoral vote—exactly what happened to Gore—is not "theory." It's fact.

That the intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was deceptively "cooked" by the Bush administration; that anybody paying attention to people like former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, knew before the invasion that the weapons were a hoax; and that American forces in Iraq today are applying the same brutal counterinsurgency tactics pioneered in Central America in the 1980s, under the direct supervision of then-Vice President George HW Bush, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That "Rebuilding America's Defenses," the Project for a New American Century's 2000 report, and "The Grand Chessboard," a book published a few years earlier by Trilateral Commission co-founder Zbigniew Brzezinski, both recommended a more robust and imperial US military presence in the oil basin of the Middle East and the Caspian region; and that both also suggested that American public support for this energy crusade would depend on public response to a new "Pearl Harbor," is not "theory." It's fact.

That, in the 1960s, the Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously approved a plan called "Operation Northwoods," to stage terrorist attacks on American soil that could be used to justify an invasion of Cuba; and that there is currently an office in the Pentagon whose function is to instigate terrorist attacks that could be used to justify future strategically-desired military responses, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That neither the accusation by former British Environmental Minister Michael Meacher, Tony Blair's longest-serving cabinet minister, that George W Bush allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen to justify an oil war in the Middle East; nor the RICO lawsuit filed by 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Council on Foreign Relations (among others), on the grounds that they conspired to let the attacks happen to cash in on the ensuing war profiteering, has captured the slightest attention from American corporate media is not a "theory." It's fact.

That the FBI has completely exonerated—though never identified—the speculators who purchased, a few days before the attacks (through a bank whose previous director is now the CIA executive director), an unusual number of "put" options, and who made millions betting that the stocks in American and United Airlines would crash, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That the US intelligence community received numerous warnings, from multiple sources, throughout the summer of 2001, that a major terrorist attack on American interests was imminent; that, according to the chair of the "independent" 9/11 commission, the attacks "could have and should have been prevented," and according to a Senate Intelligence Committee member, "All the dots were connected;" that the White House has verified George W Bush's personal knowledge, as of August 6, 2001, that these terrorist attacks might be domestic and might involve hijacked airliners; that, in the summer of 2001, at the insistence of the American Secret Service, anti-aircraft ordnance was installed around the city of Genoa, Italy, to defend against a possible terrorist suicide attack, by aircraft, against George W Bush, who was attending the economic summit there; and that George W Bush has nevertheless regaled audiences with his first thought upon seeing the "first" plane hit the World Trade Center, which was: "What a terrible pilot," is not "theory." It's fact.

That, on the morning of September 11, 2001: standard procedures and policies at the nation's air defense and aviation bureaucracies were ignored, and communications were delayed; the black boxes of the planes that hit the WTC were destroyed, but hijacker Mohammed Atta's passport was found in pristine condition; high-ranking Pentagon officers had cancelled their commercial flight plans for that morning; George H.W. Bush was meeting in Washington with representatives of Osama bin Laden's family, and other investors in the world's largest private equity firm, the Carlyle Group; the CIA was conducting a previously-scheduled mock exercise of an airliner hitting the Pentagon; the chairs of both the House and Senate Intelligence Committees were having breakfast with the chief of Pakistan's intelligence agency, who resigned a week later on suspicion of involvement in the 9/11 attacks; and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States sat in a second grade classroom for 20 minutes after hearing that a second plane had struck the towers, listening to children read a story about a goat, is not "theoretical." These are facts.

That the Bush administration has desperately fought every attempt to independently investigate the events of 9/11, is not a "theory."

Nor, finally, is it in any way a "theory" that the one, single name that can be directly linked to the Third Reich, the US military industrial complex, Skull and Bones, Eastern Establishment good ol' boys, the Illuminati, Big Texas Oil, the Bay of Pigs, the Miami Cubans, the Mafia, the FBI, the JFK assassination, the New World Order, Watergate, the Republican National Committee, Eastern European fascists, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, CIA headquarters, the October Surprise, the Iran/Contra scandal, Inslaw, the Christic Institute, Manuel Noriega, drug-running "freedom fighters" and death squads, Iraqgate, Saddam Hussein, weapons of mass destruction, the blood of innocents, the savings and loan crash, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, the "Octopus," the "Enterprise," the Afghan mujaheddin, the War on Drugs, Mena (Arkansas), Whitewater, Sun Myung Moon, the Carlyle Group, Osama bin Laden and the Saudi royal family, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and the presidency and vice-presidency of the United States, is: George Herbert Walker Bush.

"Theory?" To the contrary.

It is a well-documented, tragic and—especially if you're paranoid—terrifying fact.

Michael Hasty is a writer, activist, musician, carpenter and farmer. His award-winning column, "Thinking Locally," appeared for seven years in the Hampshire Review, West Virginia's oldest newspaper. His writing has also appeared in the Highlands Voice, the Washington Peace Letter, the Takoma Park Newsletter, the German magazine Generational Justice, and the Washington Post; and at the websites Common Dreams and Democrats.com. In January 1989, he was the media spokesperson for the counter-inaugural coalition at George Bush's Counter-Inaugural Banquet, which fed hundreds of DC's homeless in front of Union Station, where the official inaugural dinner was being held.

Permission to reprint is granted, provided it includes this autobiographical note, and credit for first publication to Online Journal.

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:04 PM
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1. Thank you for posting this, Eloriel!
I feel a whole lot better and a whole lot worse for reading it!

:wow:
dbt
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mithnanthy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:27 AM
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48. Thank you for the article...
It's a mind-blower!
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:06 PM
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2. Not gonna say it. Wouldn't be prudent.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:10 PM
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3. BFEE in a nutshell
Excellent work.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:58 PM
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79. I think Douglas Feith will be the sucker who busts it wide open
His name is everywhere these days. I can't wait for the public trials.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:16 PM
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4. great article, thks for the post....n/t
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homelandpunk Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:26 PM
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5. I can't even describe how much it freaks me out
to get it all in one data dump. In other words, nothing there is "new" to me in what is written, but to have it ALL hit you at once, to have it laid out in order, in sequence, will never fail to blow my mind.
Because you wake up, the sun is shining, family is all there, etc., and the things you can't control do not seem to weigh heavy on you. And then someone like this author just slaps you silly ONCE AGAIN. To realize we are living thru something so incredible, and so dark. It just blows me away. It's staggering historical bulk just makes me feel any resistance futile...it Borg's the mind.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:47 AM
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31. yes. exactly.
my mind is fully blown for the exact same reasons.

It's all of it, together, at once. WHOOOM!!!

I'm overwhelmed.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:33 PM
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6. And Kennedy fired Dulles after he took office.
Edited on Mon May-31-04 02:34 PM by blm
Dulles was somehow put in charge of investigating Kennedy's assassination.

Damn convenient, eh?
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LiberalCat Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:39 PM
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7. ghw bush turns 80 on June 12.
Who do you think will control the BFEE when he's dead? None of his sons seem capable enough.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:00 PM
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9. old bastard cockroach will probably outlive us all
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:01 PM
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10. maybe they can hook his brain up to a computer...
poppy could rule the world forever from the shadows with a synthesized voice...

"Read... my... brain... no new freedoms... an empire... that will last... a thousand years... a thousand points of evil..."

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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:58 PM
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8. A Wackadoo kick...
...let the truth be known.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:07 PM
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11. nice one
:kick:
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:45 PM
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12. Seeing it all together makes me want to scream !
I hit my own paranoid shift after I learned about PNAC. What makes me the maddest is the ignorance of the majority. Thanks for posting this.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:51 PM
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13. Excellent find, Eloriel!
Thanks MUCH-MUCH-MUCH!

It is good to get all of this divergent, relevant, and EXTREMELY important stuff together in one chunk. It has to be made as easy and uncomplicated as possible for people to connect the dots. Especially since this is such an astonishingly complicated story. What a viper pit! It's the New American Century version of "all roads lead to Rome."

Good to see you back posting again, Eloriel!

XOXOXO
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:54 PM
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14. The list leaves out the escalation of US involvement in Vietnam
As it says in "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography":

"At this time, the group proposing escalation in Vietnam (as well as preparing the assassination of President Diem) had a heavy Brown Brothers, Harriman/Skull and Bones overtone: the hawks of 1961-63 were Harriman, McGeorge Bundy, William Bundy, Henry Cabot Lodge, and some key London oligarchs and theoreticians of counterinsurgency wars. And of course, George Bush during these years was calling for escalation in Vietnam and challenging Kennedy to 'muster the courage' to try a second invasion of Cuba."

http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm

The crucial event leading to escalation was the assassination of President Diem in the summer of 1963, which was engineered behind Kennedy's back -- and against the wishes of the CIA -- by Averell Harriman, who was then Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.

(I have a link for this at http://ngothelinh.150m.com/CIA_CSI.html but the site currently comes up with a "Bandwidth Exceeded" screen, and I don't know if it will be available again.)

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:08 PM
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15. Some other stuff tied to Harriman and/or Allen Dulles
The development of methods of psychological torture like those now being applied in Iraq was heavily promoted in the early 50's by Harriman, who was Truman's national security advisor, and Allen Dulles, who was deputy director of the CIA. It continued through the 1950's, after Dulles became CIA director under Eisenhower.

The overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran in 1953 was also Dulles's doing -- and set the pattern for both America's willingness to intervene directly in the oil-producing countries of the Middle East and the extra-legal methods used to achieve this.

The Bush name doesn't pop up much in accounts of the 50's and early 60's, but Bush associates like Harriman and Dulles more than take up the slack.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:35 PM
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16. They all looked so cozy this weekend.
It's hard to tell who's who anymore.
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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:55 PM
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17. well the replys here are shocking !!!
speak up people, some of you admit to already taking the red pill.
What are people to do with this knowledge so concisely collected into such an easy to read and understand essay ?

The author has stated what has been more and more the cause of a personal depression that knows no bounds.

This passage for those here apparently not willing or able to accept it.

Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a
loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance"—like the Republicans in
the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism
would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government;
and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it
would be doomed from the start.

it would be doomed from the start.

So this is what it's all been for ?
This is the extent of the benefit for all the time and effort ?
This is the reward for years of research and reading ?
The only thing worse than not knowing the answers is knowing them ?
Resistance is not only futile but counterproductive ?

Please someone say there is something to do other than crawl
in a hole shut our mouths and watch them destroy it all and hope that the next generation of people evolve in such a way that is more ethical.

Please someone must have more to say about this most complete chronicle of what is wrong with America and the world.




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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:02 PM
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21. check out the next paragraph in the article.....
Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

hang in there
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Suspicious Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:17 PM
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23. "....wise as serpents and gentle as doves"
Gandhi was a living example - it can be done.

"Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man."

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."
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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:13 PM
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25. read the entire essay? did you ?
It seems like he was just being kind and not taking away all hope.
What do you take this passage to mean because it sure seems like this is the end and if it isn't already too late there is certainly no time to waste.

In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress.

Seriously, dead seriously, since the moment that second plane came into view on 9/11 the fear was that there would be no way to convince people of what had just happened. The same thing is happening right now with the BBV machines. Most people even here at DU talk like this is just another election and if everyone just gets out the voters bu*sh will be gone. What planet are people living on ? They stole the last election and the house and senate and nothing was done to change anything except to make it easier for them to steal the rest of the elections from now on and use the media to convince people that they are voting in real elections. They have shredded the constitution
basically set up a dictatorship, attack peaceful demonstartors with deadly force to no official objections or punishment, invaded two countries, committed war crimes all over the globe all without any
real actual negative downside. Oh dear the press said the bu*sh people are not nice, wow bet that keeps them up at night. Personally the only problem the people that deal with the problems have is keeping the problems from getting so far out of hand that they have to kill people
to solve it or keep it quiet.
Go ahead, show the errors in the thinking here. There is nothing that would be more welcome than to think there is a reason to hope.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:45 AM
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30. I agree. It's a bit daunting to understate it rather severely
That article blew my mind. Because it portrayed so vividly and concisely what has been bending my brain and warping my reality for the last year and a half.

And yes, it begs the question -- why bother?

I have to sleep on that.

I just wanted you to know you're not alone in your ..... depressing response to it (for lack of a better way to say it, it's almost 1 a.m. and I'm tired).

My mind is blown by this article. I have to digest it
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:04 AM
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49. The "Progressive Movements" have begun. And, there's even a new
Progressive Party forming here in NC with their first convention next weekend.

The "Iraq Invasion" was the beginning of "organizing" the loose band of Americans who watched the horror of the "stolen election" held the anger and then watched as the Bush team of thugs dismantled decades of progressive legislation in the environment, consumer advocacy, food safty, legal protection for citizens against agressive government intervention in their lives and our whole voting system.

We are seeing a coalition of folks forming around our country who can connect through the internet and form "the resistence." As more and more Americans wake up, we can add them to our groups in the "Progressive Coalition."

It's going to take decades to make change. An informed citizenry is our only hope. "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not ALL of the people ALL of the time," as the old saying goes.

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Ani Yun Wiya Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:26 AM
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41. There is hope...
"Please someone say there is something to do other than crawl
in a hole shut our mouths and watch them destroy it all and hope that the next generation of people evolve in such a way that is more ethical."


After the red pill...

After knowing that things are not as advertised:

1. Intensive study and training to gird oneself for the task.
(This CAN lead to an awareness of the rather fragile nature
of the sub-systems of "control" and how it is implemented.)

2. Realization that what has NOT been done before, CAN be done.
(And replacing "belief" with knowing, as in: "there is no spoon")

3. From that which is at hand, a correct selection of tools.

4. Timing and a resolute adherence to purpose are then required...

On another hand however, a National strike coupled with a firm set of demands to be met forthwith may be a better path to follow; though it does seem a rather difficult thing to organize because so many issues "divide" us.


I would agree that anything that even looked like "domestic insurgency" WOULD be dealt a rather harsh blow and help * and crew
further their agenda.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:05 PM
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18. kicking a great post
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:54 PM
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19. kick
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:57 PM
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20. So, GHWB is the "Controller?"
I knew that!
But who controls him?
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:26 PM
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26. His lovely wife, of course.
gag...God this is so depressing. Will the BFEE evil ever end?? I am very discouraged.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:36 PM
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63. Babs of the beautiful mind.
Who can not worry about the body bags.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:33 PM
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22. Outstanding post!
Bingo, you have correctly identified the central figure. What's next?

Nothing, of course.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:38 PM
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24. Here's another chunk
(But before I do, I want to make the point, again, that all these "conspiracies" listed in the original article, which are things I learned as a result primarily of DU over the many months since DU had about 12,000 members are why I NEVER, EVER automatically dismiss ANY "conspiracy theory" out of hand any more. I once did, and spent years being the less well-informed for it. And ONE of these days I'm going to bite the bullet and make the time to go back and do some research on Mena, Arkansas, and yes, Bill Clinton. But not today.)

Here's something about George Herbert Walker Bush's Nazi connections:

NAZI CONNECTIONS. When he was elected vice president in 1980, Bush chose William Stamps Farish III to manage his personal wealth in a blind trust. In 1933, Farish’s New Jersey Standard Oil Company began operations in Nazi Germany. As CEO and president of Standard Oil, Farish controlled his corporation as well as Germany’s I.G. Farben. A joint venture by these two corporations paved the way for the opening of the Auschwitz slave labor camp in June 1940. Artificial rubber and gasoline were produced at the concentration camp. Standard Oil continued to do business with the Hitler regime right up to the end of World War II. (Russell Bowen, The Immaculate Deception; Village Voice, November 1, 1988)

After World War II, Harry Truman led a Senate committee in investigating the two companies’ collaboration with the Nazi German government. Farish was subpoenaed before the committee which questioned him about his role in supporting the Nazi government. Farish pleaded “no contest” of criminal conspiracy with the Nazis.

In 1971, the Washington Post exposed President Nixon’s Heritage Groups of which Bush denied knowledge. But five years later, Colonel Jay Niemczyk, the Heritage Groups director, praised Bush for his recruitment efforts, saying that he “added needed strength and impetus” to the Republicans’ exploitation of Nazi collaborators and criminals who had been resettled after World War II. A 1976 Republican National Committee memo stated that a basic goal of the Heritage Groups Council was to maintain anti-Soviet, anti-communist zeal of Eastern European immigrants. (Russell Bowen, The Immaculate Deception)

Bush’s role with the neo-Nazi element continued when he announced that he was seeking the GOP nomination. In September 1988, seven members of his presidential campaign were fired because of their links with the Heritage Groups Foundation. The anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi members were involved in the recruitment of extreme right-wing elements in the Eastern European ethnic communities in the United States. One of the group’s members had been a member of an Italian fascist group, and the other had been a member of the Hungarian Fascist Party.

When the elder Bush served as vice president, George Junior became vice president of Zapata Off-Shore. In 1986, the father flew to the Middle East to persuade the OPEC nations to raise the price of crude oil which had fallen to under $1.00 a gallon. Vice President Bush argued that American security depended on the price of crude oil that was $12 a barrel. The Middle East oil producers agreed and promptly raised the price of a barrel by $2 which led to higher profits for companies such as Zapata. (Russell Bowen, The Immaculate Deception)


http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/jphuck/Book4Ch.1.html

(There's a lot more on the Bush's in the article, but I wanted to just excerpt this piece which I think hasn't gotten quite enough "play" here at DU.)
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:51 PM
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27. Clinton & Bush 1
Doesn't it strike anyone odd about the chummy relationship between these two men?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:56 AM
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33. Not at all...
Clinton was the natural choice.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 12:37 PM
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54. my speculation is that Clinton knew all about North's cocaine ops at Mena
while he was governor. Since Clinton had the goods, he could protect himself.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:37 AM
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28. kick
went looking for this thread, found it oh-so-far away.

:)

:kick:
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:01 PM
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61. Thanks for another piece to the puzzle.
:kick:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:37 PM
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65. Eloriel, there is a lot about Farish in American Dynasty, by Phillips.
Good post. Saving it.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:59 PM
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80. Slight correction on the Farishes
William Stamps Farish Sr. was the president of Standard Oil who got in trouble over his dealings with the Nazis. He was called up by Senate investigators in 1942, accused of lying and of near-treason, and collapsed and died of a heart attack that November. His son, William Stamps Farish Jr., died in an Air Force training accident the following spring, leaving the family fortune to four-year-old William Stamps Farish III.

George H.W. and Barbara Bush were very close to the widow of Farish Jr, the former Mary Wood, daughter of extreme right-winger General Robert E. Wood. It was the Farish connection that helped Bush turn himself into a Texas oil man in 1948. (Farish Sr.'s wife, Libbie Rice, was connected with several prominent old Houston families. Her grandfather, Walter Browne Botts, had co-founded the firm now known as Baker & Botts.)

As young Farish matured, he and Bush became firm friends. The father of Farish's wife, Bayard Sharp, was another close friend of the Bush family. Sharp's own mother was a DuPont -- three of her brothers were fascists who admired Hitler and attempted to overthrow Roosevelt in 1934.

When I researched these people a year ago, the words that kept coming up were "reclusive" and "secretive." They are extraordinarily wealthy, they act behind the scenes, and they don't want anyone to know what they are up to. If there is an ultimate controller behind George H.W. Bush, the secret may lie with these families.

It may also be significant that Farish Sr.'s great-grandmother was the sister of Confederate President Jefferson Davis. There is an element here that is profoundly un-American and un-democratic and that has never accepted the decline of elite rule in the 19th and 20th centuries.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:15 AM
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29. Wow. Wow. And wow again.
this blew my mind.

This explains exactly what I've been going through the past year and a half.

WOW.

What blows me away in a negative fashion, however, is that it makes us, and DU, and everything we might be trying to do here, seem completely useless.

I've never felt more impotent.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:32 PM
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62. I got that sinking feeling too...
no wonder they say ignorance is bliss...
:eyes:
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:52 AM
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32. my goodness
you'd think somebody with those kinds of connections could get himself re-elected.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:57 AM
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34. That was before the BBV machines came out...
watchout come November...cause skull and bones is gonna win again.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:08 AM
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35. yes
beware the college frat! BOO!
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:17 AM
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36. You must not have read the
original post, because you certainly missed the point.

Oh BTW I said that Skull and Bones wins in November. Would that not be a true assessment? If not point out the fallacy in the argument.


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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:21 AM
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37. I don't disagree that a former skull and bonesman
will win.

I disagree that it's meaningful.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:23 AM
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39. You brought meaning to it...
I didn't. I merely stated a fact.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:26 AM
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40. and I would call it
disingenuous (the rules don't permit me to word it otherwise) to claim that you brought up Skull and Bones without trying to imply something meaningful.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:33 AM
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42. What you ascribe to this statement...
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 03:35 AM by God_bush_n_cheney
"watchout come November...cause skull and bones is gonna win again."

Is your own business. If you have a problem with Skull and Bones being talked about, then you must have a problem with Skull and Bones. I certainly don't mind talking about the subject.

Edit: BTW if it is not meaningful...why does it bother you so much?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:05 PM
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56. I'm more than happy to discuss
Skull and Bones.

I think that you brought it up to make the implication that Kerry = Bush. After seeing the outcome of the Gore = Bush argument from 2000, I'm ready to call bullshit when I see it. The stakes are too high.

If, in fact, Skull and Bones is a special breeding ground for elite right-wingers, how did they let Kerry become one of the most liberal Senators of his generation? Somebody at the Stonecutters... er... Skull and Bones... headquarters dropped the ball.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:28 AM
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68. So you read the entire article and alll you could come up with was a lame
dismissal of the importance of Skull'n'Bones?
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:59 AM
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51. prior to BBV that was the one fly in their ointment
Now they've figured out a way to take care of that little problem.

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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:01 PM
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55. So...
the most powerful, corrupt, connected man in the world was unable to tamper with an election in the absence of electronic voting machines?

Election fraud wasn't invented within the last couple years.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:19 PM
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57. No it wasn't...but what has changed is
the ability to manipulate a greater number of votes without being detected.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:26 PM
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58. Yes. If it weren't for elections and a "free" press we'd be living
under a dictatorship.

Which is what they're trying to do now, with corporate control of the media and BBV.

Hell, Bush Jr. said it himself, he'd like to be dictator. It'd be easier, right?

Keep in mind the only thing keeping these guys in check is what little is left of the free press, the internet, and the potential to have elections.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:27 AM
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67. Yes. Thank God for hubris.
And good cop/bad cop mind games.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:22 AM
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38. We can't forget the Bush family involvement in this
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:12 AM
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43. Hi Eloriel, OT question
I once read part one of an analyis of Hasty of the role of Bush in the CIA. It was suggested that Bush was the ultimate source of Woodward in the Watergate affair.

Do you happen to have the link to part two?
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:15 AM
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44. Forget it, I found it
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:23 AM
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45. Terrifying. My own shift came 18 months ago when I researched...
...PNAC and the Christian Reconstructionists. It was like looking into the very heart of darkness, the Abyss, a pit of Hell. It made me ill -- quite literally, because I came down with such a bad case of carpal tunnel syndrome that I was sidelined for the next 3 months.

Like many others at DU, I struggle constantly with the pull of depression, which has a paralyzing effect. Like many of you, I finally started using medication and it's helped a bit.

To echo another poster: I wake up in the morning, I'm in my little home with my honey, surrounded by all my books. I look out my window and I am living exactly where I want to be in the country that I have always trusted to be what it says in the founding documents. The disconnect between that and the BFEE is astonishing.

My breath is taken away sometimes by the unutterable awfulness of the times we are living in. I can't imagine jeopardizing everything my family and I have by seriously running afoul of the regime. I can't imagine leaving here to live somewhere else. I can't imagine letting them get away with the murder of my country.

This comes and goes. There are few people I can talk to about this because I feel it makes me sound crazy. I just keep plugging along supporting Kerry, because if he wins at least he won't be Bush. Even if he is a Skull & Bones man, he's proven over and over that he has a conscience -- from speaking out against the Vietnam war to his liberal voting record. At least we can take a breather and regroup.

Michael Hasty, the author, is right about the place civil disobedience might have to play in the coming years. Out of fear, I have been arguing against it. But it is fast coming to that. Hasty is even more right that violent resistance would be worse than futile -- all the physical power is on "their" side. That's why civil disobedience would be the key: an organized movement of people of conscience, as with Ghandi, as with Martin Luther King. That's really serious stuff, because people get hurt, and in the hands of brown shirts...

Thanks for posting this, Eloriel. The same essay has been sitting on the desktop of my computer since January, and now I've read it through.

A big Wackadoo kick from
Hekate

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:56 AM
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50. civil disobedience is the only way out of this
general strikes, shutting down the ports, the borders, turning off the power, the whole stinking machine has to be shut down in order to make the point.

Even then, we have to get these people out of office and into jail.

No easy task.

I honestly can't see this happening any time soon. Not unless the types of atrocities BFEE is committing in Iraq start happening here.

We'll see what happens between now and "election" day.

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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:00 AM
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46. Just when I think they
can't possibly be more evil.
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grl2watch Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:56 AM
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47. Beautifully written and researched (sigh)
The author says he is a farmer. Are we again
in a period where farmers produce the greatest
patriots and writers?

Thanks for posting this Eloriel.
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libcurious Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 12:06 PM
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52. Welcome to my world
I have been hearing and talking about this since bush1 but just as the article says, I am a whacko conspiracy nut. I told people about bush1, clinton and now bush2 and still get the same. The info. is out there, people just need to put aside their partisanship and look for it. ALL of it, not just what they want to hear.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 12:34 PM
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53. kick
nt
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 05:07 PM
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59. must. kick. again.
:kick:
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NeonLX Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 05:17 PM
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60. What a phenomenal article. Is it too late to get our country back?
Or was it ever really "ours"?

This message serves as a kick, by the way...
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:36 PM
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64. Is it futile to resist!?
:wtf:

OMG! What monsters! Seems we never had a country to "take back"...
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:53 PM
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66. The venality of the Bush crime family beggars the capacity of most
decent people to comprehend.

Poppy is deservedly singled out here, but we mustn't forget:

Dubya's Uncle Jonathan, another bonesman, whose Riggs Bank has just been fined $25 million for Saudi moneylaundering, and shows a money trail from the wife of Prince Bandar to the 9/11 hijackers.

Brother Jeb, voter roll scrubber and PNAC signatory, associate of Iran/Contra drug runners and terrorist flight school financiers.

Brother Neal, who helped perpetrate the most massive money fraud in US history, with the Mafia and CIA driven S&L failure. Like Poppy, a Hinckley family friend.

Brother Marvin, board member of the Kuwaiti-backed firm which provided electronic security for the WTC until shortly before the attack, when he joined the board of one its leading insurers.

They really are that bad, and that ruinous to the United States.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:30 AM
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69. Like a rolling stone!
Like a rolling stone!
Like the FBI!
And the CIA!
And the BBC!
B.B. King!
And Doris Day!
Matt Busby!
Dig it! Dig it! Dig it! Dig it!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:34 AM
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70. I thought the Christic Institute were the good guys!
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 12:35 AM by Stephanie
I remember them as suing GHWB on behalf of the Sandanistas - is that right?

Whatever happened to them, anyway?
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:19 AM
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72. I was just thinking about that myself.
They were suing I believe, under RICO, the CIA for an assassination attempt on Eden Pastora (?)in which a journalist was almost killed. It happened at some kind of press conference called by Pastora to announce his deserting the Contra cause because of the drug running.
As I recall, he was a true believer who became disgusted by the sleazy nature of his associates. A suitcase bomb was planted under the table at the press event.
I think the case was eventually thrown out of court by a Reaganite judge. The journalists name is Tony Aberzian (sp) and his partner was Martha Honey.
I think that was the gist of it, correct me please if I am wrong. I also would like to know what became of these people.
I think they took depositions from drug smugglers who later were found dead from "suicide".

As to this thread, let me say I am thrilled to see that my dim light is not the only one flickering out here in the wilderness. I like to joke that I suffer from dramatic mood swings- from disgust to despair.
The truth is that I feel almost elated to see the world as it truly is. These people, while undeniably evil, are at heart incompetent cockroaches who scurry away from direct light. They are hucksters, very clever hucksters but after all is said and done, they are not that bright.
Meet me in LA on the 5th of this month at the march for peace. Lets show them that we are not afraid. I will be there with my wife and children. I think it is the most important lesson I can teach them about participatory democracy. After all, they will never learn it in school, will they?
Let us not give up the fight, as these are indeed exciting times my friends.
Don't think of it as "struggle", think of it as an adventure!!!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:34 AM
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74. Welcome to DU, Algomas!
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 07:35 AM by Stephanie
You are not alone. Far from it. Just look around!
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 02:00 AM
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71. Kick
cause this is a great one.

:kick:
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Strive to be Dust Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 06:35 AM
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73. What about Scaife (Mellon/Morgan)? IBM? Rothschild?
:think:

The BFEE stuff is pretty frightening, but there are over a thousand 'players' in that class of wealth. The Waltons are the newest and still nibbling at the edges (attacking publicly funded schooling) and Trump and Gates are still too deep in empire building to be real players on the political scene. The economic/political pie that is the developed world economy is divided and scattered. As long as the standard oil crowd doesn't step on anybody's toes they'll get full co-operation. As we are beginning to see, some of the other groups are beginning to defect. The banking folks are not happy with the mess bush's crowd is making of the economy, as a result Scaife's media machine is giving them a hard time.
It would be much more useful to all of us if we could list up the top 50 or so players (and the industries they control) and see more clearly just what the hell is going on.
Some industries to examine:

oil: Bush/standard oil, who else?

munitions: Cheney(is whose front guy?)/Halliburton, McDonnell-Douglas

Banking/insurance: Richard Mellon Scaife/Master Card, Rothschild

Chemicals: DOW

Agriculture: the names have changed recently, but Purina used to be a biggie

Food Processing: General Foods, MacDonald's

Mass media: Time Warner, Fox, Disney

electronics: GE, IBM, NCR

Information services: Time Warner, Microsoft

Drugs & Medical devices: Pfizer

I'm just throwing out the ones that popped out of memory. Is there anyone out there that can make a fairly comprehensive list?
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:19 AM
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75. this site might be helpful
http://theyrule.net/

It has been updated for 2004. The interconnections are amazing, under institutions you will find poppy bush's cabinet.
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Strive to be Dust Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:02 PM
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76. That's nice but...
With the way ultimate ownership can be hidden through proxies, power of attorny, and holding companies a listing of the owner of record barely scratches the surface. The complexity of the interconnections is one result of these strategies. One of the reasons the folks in the top 0.1% income level don't want to pay taxes (especially unearned income taxes) is because the tax record leaves undeniable evidence of who holds the wealth. This is also why the IRS doesn't publish breakdown stats above $300,000 a year. If the rest of us knew who was robbing us we wouldn't sit still for it.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:39 PM
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78. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:35 AM
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83. Helpful might be "Who's running America"
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 04:35 AM by gandalf
by Thomas R. Dye (Amazon)

and "American Hegemony and the Trilateral Commission"
by Stephen Gill (a scientific approach).

And welcome to DU!

I like it when someone is not only concentrated on Bush but on the underlying problems (=ruling class).
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Strive to be Dust Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:39 AM
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84. Bam! Iiiit's auta here!!!
:toast:
Here's to you gandalf!! I've been looking for something like this since I read Heinlein's "Friday" and all my grandmother's bitching about the Mellons and Nixon finally clicked.

And thanks for the warm welcome folks!
:hi:
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:45 AM
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88. Thanks! Here is another interesting book
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:20 AM
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81. Look back around World War I for a lot of the answers
War profiteers. Munitions companies, oil companies, chemical companies. The Bushes and Harrimans. The DuPonts. The lawyers connected with these people, including William Donovan (later founder of the OSS, precursor of the CIA) and Allen Dulles.

The Federal Reserve.

People and corporations that continued to do business with Germany during and after the war, often in violation of the Versailles Treaty.

The mismanagement of the post-war arrangements concerning Germany (which led to World War II), Russia (which led to the Cold War), and the Middle East (which led to all aspects of the present mess.)


Also throw in various events involving the oil industry, from the discovery of oil in Iran (1908) and the dissolving of the Standard Oil Trust (1911) to the discovery of oil in Venezuela (1922).


Most of the pieces of this puzzle were already in place before the 1930's. A few that were added slightly later may also be significant, such as IBM (Thomas Watson supplied equipment to the Nazis that was used to keep accountings for the death camps) and Time Magazine (Henry Luce was another Bonesman.) But the more recent players, like Disney or Microsoft, just don't have that same smell of old money.
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Strive to be Dust Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:58 AM
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85. Oh, I think Disney does indeed have that smell
Walt was born to wealth and brought those values with him when he decided to carve out his empire in movie entertainment for children in the thirties. Too late to capitalize on the bonanza the world wars were, but in plenty of time to catch the boomers. His eye was always on a children's entertainment empire over the whole world. Disney wrote the book on copyright theft and abuse.
The truly recent player in Microsoft's category would be Walmart which predates Gates by little more than a decade.
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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:03 PM
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77. thanks for the article Eloriel
I enjoyed reading it. The idea that ghwb is the head of the serpent brings so many things into perspective- but also is frightening. I think this is the first article that has pointed him out in such a direct way. Also interesting is the suggestion that we need to organize nonviolently. The hard thing is having such a large diverse country, and trying to organize a resistance from so many disparate sections forming the whole. Also, of course, the media is systematically putting people to sleep. I liked his suggestion that we might need to form our own govt, and build useful honest systems/ maybe a media would be the first thing.
I wonder if this could be, or is already starting to happen in small increments. It is really interesting to see the historical progression of the rw shift. That Prescott Bush was basically financing the Nazi's and their concentration camps, and that particularly Auschwitz was a money-maker for them.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:24 AM
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82. Thanks Eloriel too!
I enjoyed throwing this article back as a reply to a fundie! Show them the facts, and they can't call you a loony "conspiracy theorist". I'll take "educated liberal" any day of the week.
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:08 AM
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86. If George HW Bush dies
Who do you think will take his place as the head of the hydra?
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:29 AM
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87. Thank you
for posting this. I just sent a major spam to friends, family, and media. :kick:

Jenn
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