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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:27 PM
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Jet fighters flying over head this Memorial day morning.
All I can think about as they thunder over my neighborhood is the terror the soundof those engines must instill into the Iraqi people, because for them it does not conjure up feelings of nationalism. To them that sound is pure terror.

I can't even begin to imagine the horror that these fly boys unleashed on innocent Iraqi people. We, In our fluffy little world, can not even begin to imagine what we have done to the Iraqi people. Today, I got just a taste when those fighters flew over.

I also came to the realization that it is important to have a memorial day to honor those who have fallen in battle. However, to me, There is nothing glorious about war. War is the admittance of utter failure, and it should not be celebrated or glorified. War is an admittance of government that it has no creativity or intelligence, It is failure and it has no victors.

This memorial day is a good time to reflect on how Bush has failed this nation and the world.

War is never the answer. We have to come up with other options/solutions.



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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:34 PM
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1. There is no honor or glory in war
Dulce et Decorum Est
Pro Patria Mori,

That is the old lie.

That said, the last people who
relish the thought of war, are
those who have been there done
that.

Oh and like in every generation those
doing the killng and the dying are
not those truly responsible

"Dulce et Decorum Est "


Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys! -- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under I green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, --
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Strange Meeting ~Wilfred Owen
It seemed that out of battle I escaped
Down some profound dull tunnel, long since scooped
Through granites which titanic wars had groined.

Yet also there encumbered sleepers groaned,
Too fast in thought or death to be bestirred.
Then, as I probed them, one sprang up, and stared
With piteous recognition in fixed eyes,
Lifting distressful hands, as if to bless.
And by his smile, I knew that sullen hall,-
By his dead smile I knew we stood in Hell.

With a thousand pains that vision's face was grained;
Yet no blood reached there from the upper ground,
And no guns thumped, or down the flues made moan.
"Strange friend," I said, "here is no cause to mourn."
"None," said that other, "save the undone years,
The hopelessness. Whatever hope is yours,
Was my life also, I went hunting wild
After the wildest beauty in the world,
Which lies not calm in eyes, or braided hair,
But mocks the steady running of the hour,
And if it grieves, grieves richlier than here.
For by my glee might many men have laughed,
And of my weeping something had been left,
Which must die now I mean the truth untold,
The pity of war, the pity war distilled.
Now men will go content with what we spoiled,
Or, discontent, boil bloody, and be spilled.
They will be swift with swiftness of the tigress.
None will break ranks, though nations trek from progress.
Courage was mine, and I had mystery,
Wisdom was mine, and I had mastery:
To miss the march of this retreating world
Into vain citadels that are not walled.
Then, when much blood had clogged their chariot-wheels,
I would go up and wash them from sweet wells,
Even with truths that lie too deep for taint.
I would have poured my spirit without stint
But not through wounds; not on the cess of war.
Foreheads of men have bled where no wounds were.
I am the enemy you killed, my friend.
I knew you in this dark: for so you frowned
Yesterday through me as you jabbed and killed.
I parried; but my hands were loath and cold.
Let us sleep now . . ."

Moderators WW I Poetry no longer is copyrighed nor covered under Tittle 17, USCode.

For the rest, this is one way to honor our Warriors, by
understanding what REAL Soldiers know... there is
no honor or glory in War.

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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:42 PM
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2. Wow!! That poem just blew my mind.
I am the enemy you killed, my friend.
I knew you in this dark: for so you frowned
Yesterday through me as you jabbed and killed.

Thank you.
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