Public Health Forum -- 2:30 PM ET LIVE (Thur) -- CSPAN -- Demo Candidates

(I hope this isn't a dupe.)

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ID: 177795 - 08/14/2003 - 4:00 - No Sale



Gephardt, Richard A., U.S. Representative, D, Missouri
Kerry, John F., U.S. Senator, D-MA
Graham, Bob, U.S. Senator, D-FL
Dean, Howard, Governor, D-VT
Vilsack, Tom, Governor, D-IA
Edwards, John, U.S. Senator, D-NC
Moseley Braun, Carol, Presidential Candidate, D, Democratic Party

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These things never seem to start on time.

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Starting now.

Nevermind. He's with the NHPC.

What the?

It sounded like something from a '70's sci-fi movie.

This sounds like each candidate is going to get a significant amount of time to talk on their own. I think he said 20 minutes?

I'll be shocked if Dean doesn't rock the house today. This is his topic and it's in long form, which is his strongest speaking format.

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I hope they still have time for the candidates.

Any running news and commentary would be appreciated.

His introduction lasted more than 30 minutes, I swear!

Now he wants to check and see if they're still on schedule. Either he was hogging the spotlight or they were delaying for some reason. That introduction was one of the longest I've ever heard.

Heck, he was on for so long that some people are getting up to go to the bathroom during this brief pause.

KERRY NOW ON!

Is Vilsack running for prez, too?

Now, I just hope I set my VCR long enough to catch the tail end. I'll be honked off if most of what I taped is just Vilsack's comments.

Now that I've looked back over the thread. But still...sheeeeeeesh.

since the thing in Philly ... he looked REALLY tired.


BTW, is it on the CSPAN radio feed too ?


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I finally find the radio feed and it's Kerry ... droning on about himself, but nothing substantive .... :eyes:

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But he was the first out of the box, so.... :shrug:

I have a feeling several of them will hit on that today.

substantive? Oh he is talking about a "smart card'. Sounds like it will go well with the Patriot Act he voted for.

how he would reform health care.

Give me my rights back, bring the troops home and disband homeland gestapo...Then I might listen to him. Till then he is persona non grata to me.

We want Dean! We want Dean! We want Dean! I bet you the candidates are sleeping.

I rarely see him at these forums.

of cutting the military's pay.

Either tax cuts or health care.

That's freeping right out of Dean's speeches!

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a Republican? Oh sorry Democrat.

Kerry is anything but a republican.

Then why has he voted so often in support of Bush and his policies?

yes you can show me his 2002 war authorization yes vote, yes vote on Patriot Act, but rarely you will find any other vote in support of Bush's policies.

Thise are my line in the sand. If any politician Dem or repuke voted for them...I will NEVER vote for them. I will never waver on this.

He actually voted for the Democrat version of the Homeland Security Bill, the amendment got rejected and there was no point in voting No in the Repub version of the homeland security bill because it was going to get passed no matter what. You can see is yes vote on the democrat version of the homeland security bill here:http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3213&can_id=S0421103

Democrat plan or Republican plan is still the gestapo!

if you actually looked through it, it didn't take away any civil liberties, it just was more funded for police departments, terror response training, etc. You see what I am getting at? Stuff that actually roots out terror. The Republicans added like 300 more things, most senators didn't have enough time to look through the repub version.

you don't vote on something you have't read...That is the height of stupidity. That or your fishing for an excuse. I don't buy it...HSG is wrong and I do not agree with it. Kerry Geppy et al that voted for it can kiss my....well you get my drift.

The Gestapo is the teeth behind Patriot Act verse 1....Coming soon PA2...how much you want to bet Kerry Geppy et al vote for it when it hits the floor? Of course right after 9/11 act 2.

he will not get my support, that is where I draw the line.

so I don't think I'd be complaining about anyone stealing from Dean, if I were you. Stealing from a dead man is lower than saying something akin to what another candidate says on an issue all candidates are discussing.

A woman used the line to introduce Dean. Dean did not start using it himself. In a sense it was given to him by that woman.

Dean sure as hell didn't give Kerry any lines from his speeches to use.

But this just goes to show who has the better ideas. If Kerry is so desperate to use Dean's lines then he has fewer orginal ideas than I thought.

But an outsider to the campaign used it to introduce him and then he used it. Have qualms with him continuing to use it if you will. But that introduction opened the door for him to use it himself, imo.

What Kerry did here was much different.

He stole a line from one of his opponents in a primary.

Dean, if he "stole" the line, then he did it from someone that's he not running against and it doesn't involve policy, unlike Dean's line about "Either tax cuts or health care." which Kerry just used.

We can disagree on the stealing issue all night.

However, there's one thing that's hard for you to deny -- Kerry validated Dean's own stace and campaign meme as being superior by using it himself.

She's a California State Sen. who represents Santa Monica. That's where Dean said he heard it from first. And he gave her attribution until Wellstone people began writing him.

So then for a while he was saying, "As Paul Wellstone said--as Sheila Kuehl said when she endorsed me...I am Howard Dean, and I'm here to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."

But so much attribution and explanation tends to bog down the punchy, direct rhetoric he's famous for.

I'm about 98% sure that's spot on from what I remember.

Wellstone stole it from her? Or did she steal it from Wellstone? Or did Kuehl and Wellstone each come up with it on their own?

Whatever its origin and etiolgy, it is widely known as Wellstone's line and Dean is using it, and not always with attribution. Furthermore, it implies that Dean is politically like Wellstone, which he's not.

In a previous life. About 1834, I think it was.

Everybody else stole it from me.

And I'm really pissed about it, too. :eyes:

...from this fella who used to say, "I represent the Whig wing of the Whig Party!"

Like "Let's roll" and "fair and balanced." :eyes:

I think it's inevitable that people will steal other people's words, often without knowing it. I only object to Dean using a line that suggests he's ultra-progressive (like Wellstone) when he's not. After all, some of the Dems in Vermont left the Democartic Party and started a Progressive Party because Dean was so conservative. If Dean were progressive, his using the line wouldn't offend me.

Like if FOX really were "fair and balanced." they might have a basis for suing Al Franken!

according to an e-mail I received from Georgians for Kucinich.

How long does each candidate get to speak?

It's going to be a looooooonnnnnggggg show.

need to get out of Iraq. We're spending a billion $ a week there, some of which could go to health care here at home.

Will end Bush* tax cuts, use money for health care.

another Republican in sheeps Democratic clothing. :puke:

Retirement and healthcare? Or better yet...Put them on the plans the average American is on. Then things will get fixed...Fast.

15 minutes....

smoke 'em if you got 'em.

sorry, I was referring to the first caller.

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

They left their schedule open for it through 6:30 p.m.

Nope, I definitely did not set my VCR for long enough.

The speeches and Q&A sessions are just too damn long and rambling.

I think they said Kucinich/Dean/Edwards/Graham are the next 4 candidates to speak.

... of all the other industrialized countries that have healthcare when we don't .... not bashing mind you, it just gets tiring to hear the same 'talking points' over and over again ....


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I am the son of a milk truck driver, my mom was a secretary...

Or I am the son of a mill worker, I was the first in my family to go to college..

I am tired of the same talking points, but only Sharpton is the candidate that says something new everytime I see him.

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VA setup; others want universal and see how the employer-based plans leave people out.
Repug woman says Dems should have done it under Clinton...oh, yeah, right..with Repugs blocking everything in sight...

This country is sick. Why do we put up with the situation like it is?
One caller was right....2/3 have insurance and don't care about the others who don't...and they won't support passage of anything remotely
decent.....

I hate this music that they play.

law-political aspects of healthcare are great and her first hand experience in New Zealand as ambassador where she saw a single payer system in action obviously impressed her. She wants a single payer system.

She was bustled off the stage, heard her asking about a couple of more questions she thought she would be allowed to answer.....Vlisak said it was his job to keep things on schedule....I would have liked to hear more from her!

Here he comes!!!!

This man just blows me away! :)

This was a good forum for him. I missed gep and kerry so i dont know how they came accross. Dean is very comfortable in this type of format where he just gets to speak.

I cant wait to see this man and the chimp on the same stage.There wil be no contest.

I'd say Kucinich won it. Some guy just called and said he was a Republican switching to the Dems to vote for Kucinich. I'm a Deanie, but good on him.

talking about Howard Dean. (Democrats)

wow if that wasnt a dean endorsment ive never heard one

Kucinich and Dean seem to be the big winners so far.

A republican dissastified with his party. There are alot more out there then most DUers realize. Democrats in '04.

Kucinich did do well. He seems to have resonated with a lot of people.

and saying bush sucks! This has got to be giving rove ulcers.

Nice to hear, some of the people out there are finally waking up.

with an open mind.

but they all know they've been betrayed by Bush!!