EMP caught on NOAA weather radar? — CHECK THIS OUT . . .

http://weather.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p19r0/si.kokx.shtml

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... wouldn't EMP have also fried every piece of consumer electronics for miles around?

Don't really know what to make of it.

In the past an EMP wouldn't have occurred to me as even a possibility.

But these days, almost anything's possible.

No matter what it is it happened too late to cause the blackout, if that's what you're thinking.

Would it be like the streaks coming from the left side, or is it an explosion? Don't mean to sound dumb on this.

I also was out of it and got curious.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/hpm.htm

. . . Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) and High Powered Microwave (HMP) Weapons offer a significant capability against electronic equipment susceptible to damage by transient power surges. This weapon generates a very short, intense energy pulse producing a transient surge of thousands of volts that kills semiconductor devices. The conventional EMP and HMP weapons can disable non-shielded electronic devices including practically any modern electronic device within the effective range of the weapon.

The effectiveness of an EMP device is determined by the power generated and the characteristic of the pulse. The shorter pulse wave forms, such as microwaves, are far more effective against electronic equipment and more difficult to harden against. Current efforts focus on converting the energy from an explosive munitions to supply the electromagnetic pulse. This method produces significant levels of directionally focused electromagnetic energy. . . .

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and this type of weapon was used in Iraq?

US May Use New EMP Microwave Weapon On Iraq
February 2, 2003
http://www.rense.com/general34/micro.htm

...is this authentic? What's that stabbing streak of color from the west?

In the radar software.. basically an artificial artifact resulting from bad processing. It frequently occurs.

This is a very normal ground clutter pattern - that is, radar echoes reflecting off the ground and ground objects. Ground clutter typically increases and spreads out in distance from the radar in the evening, due to cooling or the 'boundary layer,'or the air near the surface of the ground. The resulting evening inversion or stable layer of cooling air near the ground traps more of the radar beam (called ducting) near the ground to reflect off ground surfaces, thus increasing the ground clutter pattern. As for 'temporarily not available' - this is a frequent and normal occurrance as well.

For comparison, go look at a radar loop at about the same time of day for NY or another city today or tomorrow.

His explanation is accurate.

Maybe I'm being naïve, but probably not. How the hell would RADAR be able to record an EMP pulse? If you don't mind telling me?

No one would really notice a temporarty surge if the power was out and circuits that were off wuld not get fried.

Could be they were tersting and blew a circuit maybe.

But would radar pick it up? If so we need to go BACK AND LOOK AT THE wELLSTONE AND jfkjr tapes.

I doubt it does

:wtf:

that same kind of thing

OnEdit: kid to kind

You can see the same effect on any number of radar sites around the USA on any given day especially in summer. The radar temporarily unavailble thing might have more to do with there being no power for the radar than some tinfoil hat theory :)

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it would have covered the time period last night when first posted

but no longer

We commonly see this effect on the radars displayed by the Weather Channel. I don't know what causes it but it is a pretty common occurrance.

Some how I doubt that New York is so big that it takes light 4 hours to travel across it.
Its showing New York as a heat Island

There have been a number of very reasonable explanations in this thread for this pattern.

The time of the data starts at 8:00PM, which is 4 hours too late.

EMP would have knocked out all of the consumer electronics in the area.

There is a very similar pattern for radar images over other cities. Here's my city, Washington, DC: http://weather.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p19r0/si.klwx.shtml

While I think we should be free to discuss possible explanations for this power outage, we should not necessarily believe everything we read on the Intenet.

Skinner
DU Admin

When can we open the tinfoil hat room? (padded I hope)

lets not jump to tinfoil labeling til we

see the actual radar from the time period

We don't need the actual radar from the time period.

This is pure tinfoil-hat foolishness. It makes us all look silly.

I'll just take your word for it

Because everyone's consumer electronic devices still worked after the power outage. So it wasn't EMP.

Also I was not saying this was emp , I just wan't to see the pics

This thread is basically a dupe of a request thread I made here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=180622

except it has a hype headline demanding denial and ridicule

I for one wouldn't mind seeing it locked unless some one has the

actual radar of the time period being discussed

would be a whole lot of burned out personal electronics that were not attached to the electric grid at the time of the event, cell phones, lap tops, cars, raidos, pagers. An EMP is not a targeted thing you cant just hit a power station.

First I know it wasnt an EMP because Cell phones and Cars still worked.

But you wont find proof for or against EMP from radar, a radar set would burn out before it could record a EMP event, and if it didnt an EMP event is still to fast to be recorded by radar

I just want to see the freakin pics that caught peoples eye

to begin with

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That pic is a 12 hour loop no longer covering the blackout period

A pulse traveling at the speed of light? That's the ticket.

I still think it may come back to software failure (can you say WORM???) or it could have been a relatively minor thing (i.e. hardware) that caused a 'perfect' chain reaction storm.

A similar event too a good chunk of NE Florida (Jacksonville) offline last year.

IT happens.