what is the difference between neo-liberalism and paleo-conservatism?

wuushew

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Sun Aug-17-03 04:09 PM
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what is the difference between neo-liberalism and paleo-conservatism?

I am serious, before the rise of this current type of evil neo-conservative I would seldom been in agreement with the likes of Pat Buchannan on some issues.

What does it mean when something that looked bad before now doesn't look that different from your own views?

Agreement

Iraq/unjust wars = bad
balanced budgets = good
social issues = libertarian-conservatives agree with liberals/greens

Disagreement

immigration
domestic spending priorties
tax structure

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TheBigGuy

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Sun Aug-17-03 04:12 PM
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1. neoliberalism is more free market and global.

while also being somewhat liberal on social issues or issues of personal conduct. I would say someone like George Soros is a neoliberal.

Paleoconservatives, tho free marketeers, are also nationalists/isolationist and conservative/traditionalist on social issues.

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wuushew

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Sun Aug-17-03 04:18 PM
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2. Many Kucinich supporters here

call for the outright destruction of NAFTA and an isolationist policy geared to maintaining high-paying jobs in the US.

Is this any different from conservative isolationism, or is that only in matters of foreign policy?

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TheBigGuy

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Sun Aug-17-03 04:22 PM
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3. Its just an economic reason.

The conservatives are isolationist/nationalist on principle, while the Kucinich folks oppose this more because of the effects on US workers....more for economic/populist reasons.

For example I bet the Kucinich folks would not be opposed to a free trade agreement w., say, Canada, if benefits and wages where equalized between US and Canadian workers. Paleocons would be opposed to this on principle.

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MaverickX

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Sun Aug-17-03 06:21 PM
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7. I oppose NAFTA too but I still...

Think we need to trade with other nations. Just not the so-called free trade we have now. Globalization as we know it is too anarchist and unlike conservative opponents of globalization I want some kind of global governing body to regulate it. That's far from isolation.

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rudeboy666

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Sun Aug-17-03 04:24 PM
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4. paleos

Edited on Sun Aug-17-03 04:26 PM by rudeboy666

"Paleoconservatives, tho free marketeers..."___yes and no.

The reason that I also put a 'no' is because a lot of paleo-conservatives are very critical of the free market. They are very likely to support protectionism and strongly oppose global free trade. Moreover, they fear the forces of an unchecked free market i.e. cheap consumerism, porn, etc,,,,

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Zuni

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Sun Aug-17-03 04:36 PM
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5. Generally the true conservatives

are essentially isolationist, while the progressives are internationalist and multilateral.
Both want balanced budgets.
Both oppose free trade and multinationals.
Both oppose military adventurism.
Generally the Conservatives want less spending and less taxes across the board---Progressives want more progressive taxes, more wealth distribution and more social spending

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Classical_Liberal

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Sun Aug-17-03 04:41 PM
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6. I think you mean traditional liberalism and paleoconservatives

neoliberals favor nafta.

The difference is in the reasoning. The Paleocons do it to protect native industries, and the traditional liberals do it to protect union labor.

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