One thing is abundantly clear after watching FOX News this morning..

The US is inextricably linked to Israel through its government leadership. Until Israel stops occupying Palestinian territories and stops its carnage against Palestinians and until the US stops occupying Iraq...the US will never be at peace again. Unfortunately, the US media is so biased in its reporting of Israeli/Palestinian events there is little hope of a truly balanced approach to resolving ME issues. The US will only make the situation worse.

You can't say that!!
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and put down your donut.

Even NPR reported on the bombing as if it were in a vacuum. There is no mention of Israel expanding the illegal settlements and its continuing land expropriation. There is no recognition that the Palestinians are fighting a war in which they have been denied the weapons of war.

and being called an anti-Semite for saying so. Like him, I have nothing against Jews or even the State of Israel. I have plenty against Likud and the right-wing faction in Israel and their minions here. And, oh, a lot of those war-mongering Ultra-Orthodox RW's are exempt from military service in Israel for religious reasons, so other young people, many of whom oppose their policies, dodge these bullets the extremists invite. Lovely bunch.

to the Israeli/Palestinian Affairs forum?

if it isn't the F/A crowd will come to it......

Julie

sharone has said all along he will not give up the settlements. the road map is just a ploy to say look we tried, now we have to go to war and drive all the arabs out of isreal for good, which has always been the goal.

Really. Okay. Israel pulls out of the "occupied" territories. Which ones would those be, sweetie?

Because the Palestinians consider Israel to be "occupied."

So the Jews should just march into the sea and stop bothering those nice Arabs?

I like your thoughtful solution.

Oh. You'll leave Israel intact and give the West Bank to the Arabs? That's so nice of you. Talked to Hamas?

Then there's the little tiny problem of jobs. Ain't none in the WB.

So you want the borders of Israel to open so the Arabs can go to jobs in Israel? Sure, honey, sure.

Tell you what. You get on the bus first.

No, no? You'll develop industries in the WB? Invest your own money? Don't mind that they tend to blow up anything that annoys them? I'm sure your money will be safe. Everyone will just flock to invest. Yes, indeed. These are people anyone would trust.

Just give them a chance.

No trick figuring out which are the occupied territories; the West Bank and Gaza, which are designated by the U.N. as "the occupied territories" (also so designated on any map, in any atlas, etc.). You know - the place Palestinians can't vote in the "democratic" state of Israel, the place their property rights mean nothing and their homes are being bulldozed, the place where the concrete and barbed-wire fences are going up - THOSE occupied territories.

Gee, you don't suppose the fencing and the bulldozing and the occasional shell being lobbed into civilian-populated areas (aimed at HAMAS operatives, of course - you can tell which ones they are because they're Arabs) would have anything to do with the shortage of jobs in the occupied territories? Oh wait a minute, I forgot, it's the ARABS who "blow up anything they don't like."

Of all the lame excuses for keeping people in perpetual peonage, this "no jobs" thing takes the cake. Since when is full employment a required criterion for freedom or self-determination? Let them have their territory and then their economy will be their problem. But oh, wait, they're evil Arabs, so their answer to every problem will be to blow up some more Israelis, right?

Heck with it. Keep the occupied territories. Incorporate them into Israel. LET THE PALESTINIANS VOTE. That'll solve the problem cat-quick. But I guess Sharon and company aren't ready to do that until they've killed a LOT more Arabs, so there would actually be an "Israeli" majority in Israel.

...but with this Fraudministration, there is some truth to it. It's a fact that Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz came up with strategies for the Likud party which were nearly identical to the PNAC plan which became the blueprint for the current Fraudministration's foreign policy.

In conspiracy theories, the first question is to ask "who benefits?" And who, aside from the oil companies, benefits the most if every Middle Eastern government is overthrown and replaced with a BCE puppet dictator?

The answer is more than obvious.

And no I'm not an anti Semite by any means. I don't believe Sharon, Perle, or Wolfowitz speak for the majority of Israeli Jews any more than I believe the Fraudministration speaks for the majority of Americans

That even though Fox News has a severe Right Wing bias, it seems to have a loyal following among DUers.