If I were the Feds, I'd dynamite the 10 Commandments monument...

...and throw the judege in jail.

No doubt.

That Judge is incompetent if he can't see the logic behind is superiors decision. I'm sorry, but the Constitution is the law of the land, not the Ten Commandments.

And his supporters beaten with heavy sticks. I'm sure they also think creationism should be taught alongside evolution in school.

They don't want evolution taught at all.

Much better to settle it in court according to the law. This is the example of civilized dispute-settling that hope to set.

:shrug: The courts have settled it, now it is time for enforcement. If a court order is not enforcable then we no longer live by law and order.

There are ways of removing it without causing all that collateral damage.

... there would be no cell for me.

Ok, what would be the outcome of the action? I would have to say that the Feds were nuts and we would have good reason to fear on what's next?

and defies the constitution?

A pat on the back?

for contempt of court and start the process to debarr him, then do the removal via crane. No explosives is wanted or needed.

for the Taliban.

n/t

..and if he is allowed to defy the Constitution and keep this monument, he will be a hero to the right.

I couldn't care less...

Not only is the judge violating Federal law, if he is allowed to keep this monument, it will just be a first step for him into other state sponsored religious matters.

It will give encouragement to fundies throughout the US to foist their ideology on the public under government sponsorship.

Do you want juries deciding cases based on biblical writings, rather than the law of the land? Do you want religious beliefs to be a test for elected office or goverment employment?

If he gets away with this, the floodgates will open to a deepening theocracy.

is that he was told to remove it, and refuses.

...you won't get a fair trial in this courthouse!

I say they should remove the ten commandments from the top and leave the rest where it is.

Everytime I hear some blowhard say that this is a christian country I want to explode. The white boys who came to this country did so to get away from people who dictated religious beliefs not to become dictators themselves.

edit-
and that judge should be fined and thrown in jail until it is removed. Then he should be removed from the bench by whatever legal process that needs to take place.

that is so offenseve or can't you understand that aspect of the whole issue. Do you really think it is because people don't like the Ten commandments?

a true democratic solution...

put it to a VOTE

If the people in the state vote to allow it, let them keep it.

The Constitution (correct me if I'm wrong) says CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A RELIGION.. etc etc etc

I don't see the law saying anything and everything related to religion must be banished from all public institutions..

We've had "In God We Trust" on the currency for 200+ years and I haven't heard any atheists complain about it. If the fundies want their damn statue, let them have it.

Just hire Charleton Heston to throw them off the courthouse building. He can then give the faithful a speech: 'We don't need no stinkin' commandments. All we need are these! <triumphantly lifts rifle over his head and shakes it vigorously, slips and falls, and eventuallly, someone off the street pries the rifle out of his cold dead hands, and uses it to rob the local convenient store>'

to hear what the Democratic candidates' opinions are on this issue.

I would LOVE to see something like that.

but the Judge does need about thirty Daze In Zee Cooler, with the poor souls he helped to put in Zee Cooler! 'Big Bubba' would make a real believer out of the dude ASAP!

...then dozens of Islamics stood guard over it...?

I almost gagged typing that one, but that would be the argument.
I agree with you that should be the test when any thing slightly religious goes up on any public holding.

they should be moved, with dignity, to a church yard or private property. Period. If they are someone's religious symbol, be respectful. Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Shinto, Jewish, same thing...
Otherwise you make a "martyr" out of the people who are defying Federal law. My 2 cents and Im not religious.

he wants to play victim and portray himself
as a persecuted Christian.

on the part of the atheists and others that take issue with the judges actions. It stems from the continuing threat that we perceive the religious right posing to the nation. Having heard comments from people like George Bush sr to the effect claiming he thought atheists should not be citizens we grow defensive. When people like Pat Robertson call for open revolution to turn this into a theocratic state we become concerned. When doctors and gays are killed by religious zealots we see the social contract eroding. When someone actually goes and plops a 5000 pound testiment to old school fire and brimstone Chrsitianity (the commandments listed are not Catholic or Jewish) we see the walls protecting us and the rest of the nation crumbling. We see a very real attack on America. We see Judge Roy Moore as a Terrorist in every sense of the word.

If I built a fence on my property taller than my county permitted they would come out and whack off the offending inches with a chainsaw.

Screw the $5000 a day fine that will never be paid. I say he gets 24 hours to "move it or lose it". period....

Because people like me that would toss you out on your ass for doing something like that out number those that would approve.

The court has ruled and the court must be obeyed. The state goverment should simply send state troopers in to move the thing. Case closed.

No anti-theist politcal stunts please. Just follow the rule of law.

when a believer believes that the state is telling them to do something in opposition with what they believe god is telling them. Think this through and remember that not everyone believes in the same god.

"Render unto Ceaser"

Case closed.

I don't think dynamite is the answer. That would suggest that our society is actively hostile to religion. This is, of course, not the case. We should treat the Ten Commandments with the respect they deserve and remove them from the courthouse grounds with reverence and dignity. And then jail the lawbreaking judge.

It is ironic that people who find it so hard to obey the 10 Commands are so eager to hide behind it. I quess that when you have a child god to forgive you the laws are meaningless.

n/t

The feds shouldn't make this twit more of a martyr than he is is to his followers now. Just collect the fine(how much money does Alabama have? Is this a way to balance the federal budget?). The state offcials will get tired of paying that fine really god damn soon, and find a way to deal with Cotton Mather.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=213894#213916

This is from another Roy Moore thread and I think he sums up the Alabama situation better than anyone (sounds like he is from Alabama).

It seems like the whole world is behind the law but all of Alabama including many of the conservative democrats that control the state legislation are behind Roy Moore. We could throw him in jail but he would only be a bigger hero and a strong candidate for a higher position like <gasp> US House, US Senator, Govornor of Alabama. Folks in Alabama seem to be loving this!!!

There are 2 things that we can do: Disbarr Roy Moore since he is putting his own ideologies in front of the law and take a crane in there and remove the monument (replace it with the US Constitution.). But I have a sad feeling this isn't the last we'll see of Roy Moore - very very sad feeling!

KEEP THY RELIGION TO THYSELF!

We should cut it in half like the guy did the little baby in the Bible and hang the pieces around Pat and Jerry,s Evil necks for 30 days! I wonder what right to lifers think about cutting babies intwo with swords! Would you want this judge ruling on your case? Does he not think he is above the law! Is his storebought marble shrine, a graven idol?

I recall the ruling Taliban blowing up religious statues they didn't agree with. What, do you want to turn this into Talibama?

never heard that before. Might put it to use elsewhere.

The good judge had the monument installed in the middle of the night, right? How about carting it to the judge's house about 2 am some night and depositing it in his living room via the picture window? Oh, ok, I would settle for his front lawn, I guess. But only if we then dock his pay to pay for the associated costs, including the legal costs.

Build a Golden Calf(gilded, we are in a recessive recovery you know), something to attract the rapacious fanatics now gathering at Fundie Graceland. Put on logos of Enron, Halliburton, etc.., the head carved like Cheney the other end with a faint resemblance to Rove.

When the demonstrators have worked themselves up to an orgy around the idol, sneak in a crane, lift the Commandment block and swirl it at the Golden Calf.

Charlton Heston would be proud.