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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:28 AM
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So, the capture of two US soldiers was a hoax - but its happened before...
Here are two listings from a CNN page detailing the deaths of US and UK troops in Iraq:

Pfc. Kevin C. Ott 27 3rd Battalion, 18th Field Artillery Regiment Columbus, Ohio Discovered missing from his post approximately 24 miles (40 km) north of Baghdad on June 25, 2003. A search party found his remains west of al Taji, Iraq, on June 28.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/page4.html

Sgt. 1st Class Gladimir Philippe 37 3rd Battalion, 18th Field Artillery Regiment Linden, New Jersey Discovered missing from his post approximately 24 miles (40 km) north of Baghdad on June 25, 2003. A search party found his remains west of Taji, Iraq, on June 28.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/page5.html

So although it appears this latest incident may be a hoax, it is NOT beyond the realms of possibility.

Have you ever seen any stories or articles about these two men and what happened to them?
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:44 AM
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1. The families buried them? n/t
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:55 AM
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2. I didn't have a clue what you were talking about at first...
but now I see that you misread what I wrote. I did not mean what happened to them after they were found, I meant what happened to them between going missing and being found.

Still, funny joke. Real funny. Not.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:57 AM
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3. How do you know it's a hoax for sure
Maybe that is just the cover story...(I ejnoy tinfoil stuff sometimes)
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 12:18 PM
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4. I don't, but I couldn't fit the qualifiers in the subject line...
In fact I am highly sceptical becuase of these two soldiers I refered to who went missing together only to be found dead three days later at some distance from where they were supposed to be.

In fact in the body of my post I said:

"it appears this latest incident may be a hoax"

There is some doubt to the claim that they have been captured, but there is no doubt that the two soldiers I posted about somehow managed to disappear, only to be found dead three days later.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 12:34 PM
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5. DoD investigation ongoing.
according to this release:
http://www.dod.mil/releases/2003/nr20030630-0141.html

a little more here:
>snip<
The soldiers, Sgt. 1st Class Philippe Gladimir and Private 1st Class Kevin C. Ott, were discovered missing at approximately 11:30 a.m. from their post approximately 40 kilometers north of Baghdad, when they failed to respond to a communications check. Upon arriving on location, a search patrol found no trace of the soldiers, their weapons or their high mobility multi-wheeled vehicle (HMMWV).

A thorough coordinated search was conducted to locate the soldiers. Numerous raids and searches were conducted throughout the area where the soldiers were last seen.

Personal items of the soldiers were found during a house-to-house search at 3 p.m. on June 27. Four individuals were taken into custody. The HMMWV was discovered at 3:30 p.m. June 27 approximately 33 kilometers northwest of Hamamiyat. The weapons have not been found.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/06/iraq-030628-centcom05.htm

I'm going to go sit in a corner and cry now. It's time. Again.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 12:45 PM
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8. Thank you for finding that... although it is not good news.
As you can tell, I suspected this from the start, but to have it confirmed as rather sad.

However, it is interesting that we didn't know about these soldiers who were apparently captured and killed. Why wasn't this all over the news?

I just hope they didn't suffer too much.
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waggawagga Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 12:35 PM
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6. You're Referring to a Different Incident
The two soldiers referred to the Pentagon today were Katherine V. Rose and Andrew C. Peters.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 12:41 PM
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7. Perhaps my subject line was unclear...
Can you tell me which part of "its happened before" you misunderstood?
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waggawagga Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 03:37 PM
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9. Oh
I misunderstood the thread. I thought you had mistaken the two soldiers who were reported about today for the two who had disappeared in June.

These two other soldiers were kidnapped and probably killed right away, the discovery of their bodies was reported the day it happened, I'm still not sure what you mean by "hoax" with respect to this incident.



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waggawagga Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 03:46 PM
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10. Btw
I think the story of the earlier incident is that the two soldiers were in a humvee and were kidnapped and later killed. This was reported at the time. There was concern that the humvee might be used to stage some kind of attack.

When I saw the headline "missing soldiers found" I immediately thought of these two soldiers (because that would make no sense, especially since the Pentagon reported that their bodies had been found).

But these were two different incidents. The "hoax" reported in this latest story, from what I can figure out, was the result of some Iraqis getting hold of the identification cards of two soldiers and claiming that they had been captured when, turns out, they weren't.


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