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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 10:21 PM
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15,000 people in Seattle for Dean!!!!
Just looked at Dean's site. This blows away projections as to how large the gathering would be.
Exciting stuff!
http://www.DeanforAmerica.com
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 10:24 PM
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1. I KNOW!!
Dean blog is going nuts!!
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 10:27 PM
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2. "But Dean can't win!"
Edited on Sun Aug-24-03 10:27 PM by poskonig
Ahem, I meant, Zounds! :+
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:00 PM
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8. he's still a very weak candidate for the general election
Edited on Sun Aug-24-03 11:00 PM by Bombtrack
15,000 anti-war people show up in a metro area of 3 and a half million, and you see that as an indication that he would get 45 million plus?

talk about leaps in logic
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:02 PM
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9. You'll be one of us soon enough.
Edited on Sun Aug-24-03 11:02 PM by poskonig
It is inevitable. :evilgrin:
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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:20 PM
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11. Inevitable.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:33 PM
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14. no, I won't
I hate Dean and his campaign more than any other democrat I have ever hated. I'll never support such a haughty, hypocritical, egomaniac.

He doesn't need me, he has enough support from the right-wing power structure and all of there tools of corruption that I assure you are at least a small part of the reason for his numbers and his unfair media saturation
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:08 PM
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10. come on
his support is more than anti-war people and deep down you know it. Even in Iowa where the Des Moine Register had a poll showing Dean leading Gephardt among Union members and with people 50 and over.
By the way since your being so smug about it with your statement of 15,000 in a metro area of 3.5 million--how many people is your candidate pulling in at rallies? and if it is less than Dean (and it probably is since Dean has been the only one really attracting huge crowds at this time) how does that bode as an indication for your candidate to get 45 million plus?
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:29 PM
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12. that's just it, primary numbers don't parallel general numbers
Edwards could win because he has the most comprehensive plan of any candidate to offer solutions to the problems America has faced for a long time and now faces, he doesn't exascerbate certain dem weaknesses, and he comes off as optimistic, charismatic, and genuine.

a dem doesn't need to be getting huge crowds now because 90 percent of the voters(in the general) aren't really paying attention, and still won't be till well after the first primaries

if there was a huge civil liberties protection movement or a corporate acountability/regulation movement that he could have pounced on, Edwards would be getting the huge crowds

but there was an anti-war movement and Dean made the political decision to latch onto it

if there are any non anti-iraq-war Dean supporters they probably are a fraction of a percent of his supporters, and casual supporters at that

that is what comes down to and you know it. It all stems off of that.

Sour grapes and the obsession with the idea that they must have been right.

Dean's campaign is fueled by emotion over logic
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:32 PM
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13. well you brought up the numbers as not being impressive
in a city of 3.5 million. Edwards has some good ideas. I would like to see the best ideas of all the candidates incorporated by our eventual nominee. But I think Dean has terrific ideas as well and enthusiasm.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:36 PM
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16. I was talking about the argument
that because he drew a big crowd in a democratic primary, that it some how dismisses his lack of electability among 90 million plus voters
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:56 PM
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18. Don't forget...
He didn't grow up in a mill town, looking at poor people with lint in their hair...

"I grew up in a mill town..."
"I grew up in a mill town..."
"I grew up in a mill town..."
"I grew up in a mill town..."
"I grew up in a mill town..."
"I grew up in a mill town..."
"I grew up in a mill town..."

Wait I'm sorry, I didn't quite get that the first time John...

"I grew up in a mill town..."

Oh, OK...
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 12:01 AM
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19. Hey! You forgot
his grandpappy was a sharecropper!
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ryharrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 12:04 AM
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20. LOL!
He really needs to calm down with all that "I'm an incredibly regular guy, and I'm going to remind you every two seconds" crap.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 01:44 AM
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22. You Are Wrong About The Number of People
showing up.

Sorry but if 15,000 people actually showed up, that mean's tons more wanted to.

Marketing 101, if just one person "calls", 100 more wanted to. It's one hell of a focus group.

Dean is getting so much press for a reason. The money he is raising, the large crowds. He's a savy campaigner - what's wrong with that?

In regards to your man, Mr.Edwards. I have tons of respect for - but all I know is the same old story about his humble beginings. I'm signed up for both Kerry & Edwards e-mail list. I'm very disappointed in the lack of information and the type of information. Kerry will be in my city TOMORROW - I had no idea! It was in the paper this AM.

What will you do when Dean wins the nomination? Who do you hate more, Mr. Dean or Mr. Bush?

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:34 PM
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15. Yeah! Trying to rain on the parade! But it ain't gonna happen.
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sfwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 01:20 AM
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21. Yeah, remember that Lieberman crowd...
...(cue sound of crickets...chiiirp...chiiiirrrp...chiiirrrp).........

Oh, I guess the real Democratic support will show up after the election?

Sorry, it's primary season, and he who excites his base gets to run.


-Sandy
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 10:29 PM
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3. Didn't Nader get crowds like that?
Edited on Sun Aug-24-03 10:29 PM by GreenArrow
Not to say that Dean will end up the same way, but there is alot of time until the primaries.

That really is an impressive crowd though.
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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 10:30 PM
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4. 15000 people, a year+ before the election is totally unprecidented!!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 10:35 PM
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6. It seems that Dean has beaten Nader's best by at least 3,000
Edited on Sun Aug-24-03 10:40 PM by w4rma
Also, note that Dean is drawing 15,000 well *before* the general election.


The Madison Square Garden rally is the sixth in a series of volunteer-coordinated rallies that have drawn the largest crowds for any presidential candidate, demonstrating a groundswell of grassroots support for Nader/LaDuke. Crowds of 10-12,000 have turned out to the paid rallies in Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle and Boston demanding Nader’s participation in the presidential debates. There is also a rally in Chicago, Illinois on October 10th.

http://www.votenader.com/press/0001009msgrally.html
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 10:50 PM
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7. yeah, it is an impressive crowd
I thought Nader's crowds were impressive at the time, since none of the major candidates were getting anything like that at their rallies. Dean really has things cooking right now.

What things will be like right before the general election remains to be seen. The crowds may get even bigger.

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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 10:33 PM
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5. Moved to Late Breaking News...
...A crowd that large on a Sunday night in August months before the first caucus deserves it...

Link to Late Breaking News Thread on 15,000 in Seattle
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 11:44 PM
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17. I love them all, all, here on the Left Coast!
Edited on Sun Aug-24-03 11:51 PM by Oracle
Though I'm a Kucinich supporter deep in to my thought process...I love it that Dean received such support...first time ever I've said something positive about Dean...WOW, usually it's the word...moderate...ugh!

http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta.html
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